Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)
#221 Guest_Galain_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 12:43 AM
Omtose your clinical approach to this game is setting off alarm bells in my head.
no case just a gut feeling. I think your BB.
vote omtose
100% straw free
no case just a gut feeling. I think your BB.
vote omtose
100% straw free
#222 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 12:44 AM
Omtose;374534 said:
Shadow -
You are a suspect for me due to your use of strawmanning, an example of which is clearly outline in post 160. I never said Ruse is no longer suspicious, I said I would change my vote from him, meaning there are others I find more suspicious. Ruse has not done anything notable scummy since the post of his I quoted in my first post, but he has not done anything redeeming either. If I felt Ruse was no longer suspicious I would have simply unvoted him - as it is, I have not.
I was originally intending to vote for you at the end of 160, but read what had happened while I was typing and decided I would like to see Fener's response first. Your OMGUS label for my suspicion of you is false. OMGUS implies that I suspect you solely for voting for me, this is not the case. You are free to suspect who you like, it is the way in which you have constructed your arguments that I find suspicious.
You are a suspect for me due to your use of strawmanning, an example of which is clearly outline in post 160. I never said Ruse is no longer suspicious, I said I would change my vote from him, meaning there are others I find more suspicious. Ruse has not done anything notable scummy since the post of his I quoted in my first post, but he has not done anything redeeming either. If I felt Ruse was no longer suspicious I would have simply unvoted him - as it is, I have not.
I was originally intending to vote for you at the end of 160, but read what had happened while I was typing and decided I would like to see Fener's response first. Your OMGUS label for my suspicion of you is false. OMGUS implies that I suspect you solely for voting for me, this is not the case. You are free to suspect who you like, it is the way in which you have constructed your arguments that I find suspicious.
Ahem.
So let me get this straight, because I find you suspicious, and use your own words against you, I get labeled as straw manning, a term that has never before been used in mafia history, yet labeled nonetheless. And you say that I am suspicious for that? Give me a break, this has to be the worst reasoning I have ever heard. But enough with the pissing contest, you and I clearly don't see eye to eye, so I am content with leaving you with this, I am watching you my friend, and waiting for one slip to nail you on. That doesn't mean that I have to be close-minded about the rest of the game.
Fener, you are at L-4 with 13.5 hours left(or so), I choose to leave my vote where it is, if it comes down to it, I will hammer you though, so hopefully you make a good defense. Might I sugest voting against Omtose and saying that he is Big Ben, a more important bad guy than Uncle Ben?

#223 Guest_Fener_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 01:26 AM
can Mr. Modgod give us an update regarding my sorry self?
@ Shadow
I remain convinced that we should let everyone check in before making any major assumptions.. i will take another look at Omtose though, since you insist.
@ Shadow
I remain convinced that we should let everyone check in before making any major assumptions.. i will take another look at Omtose though, since you insist.
#224 Guest_Fener_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 02:00 AM
hmmm
so, no one's around still
having looked at the thread, I see a lot of non-contributors who wrote nothing of content other than excuses yet. (Yes, I know: kettle, pot, black and all that... but I'm trying to contribute now)
I'm not sure which one of the contributing players is acting scummy here--the link between Galain and Omtose is too tenuous to consider it seriously based on the 2 votes for Ruse.
For some reason I get a feeling that Omtose may be our UB, but at the moment I can't really put my finger on why i'm thinking that. Since I virtually never trust my gut, I'm not going to vote for him, but I will keep in mind his actions.
so, no one's around still
having looked at the thread, I see a lot of non-contributors who wrote nothing of content other than excuses yet. (Yes, I know: kettle, pot, black and all that... but I'm trying to contribute now)
I'm not sure which one of the contributing players is acting scummy here--the link between Galain and Omtose is too tenuous to consider it seriously based on the 2 votes for Ruse.
For some reason I get a feeling that Omtose may be our UB, but at the moment I can't really put my finger on why i'm thinking that. Since I virtually never trust my gut, I'm not going to vote for him, but I will keep in mind his actions.
#225 Guest_Fener_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 02:05 AM
Fener;374621 said:
@ Shadow
I remain convinced that we should let everyone check in before making any major assumptions.. i will take another look at Omtose though, since you insist.
I remain convinced that we should let everyone check in before making any major assumptions.. i will take another look at Omtose though, since you insist.
oh, btw, I forgot to add that I fully realize that everyone has by now posted at least once...
#226 Guest_Hoods Path_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:42 AM
Grr, got smashed to the ground by some idiot who wasn't watching were he was running today. And I'm pretty sure I'm talking to myself as everyone is either sleeping or at work... real great timing eh?
#227 Guest_Fener_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 03:45 AM
oh hey, HP
finally, somebody else is here
finally, somebody else is here
#228 Guest_Barghast_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 04:06 AM
Sorry I am here as well. Just catching up on what I missed.
#229 Guest_Barghast_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 04:27 AM
Well I see Fener has posted his defence.
I can't say its the strongest defence i've seen, but the whole case is just so laughably bad that I can't really blame him. I know its Day 1 and everything, but come on theres got to be something behind it we shouldn't just lynch people on nothing.
I can't say its the strongest defence i've seen, but the whole case is just so laughably bad that I can't really blame him. I know its Day 1 and everything, but come on theres got to be something behind it we shouldn't just lynch people on nothing.
#230 Guest_Path-Shaper_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 04:45 AM
It is day 1, 10 hours and 15 minutes left
15 players alive, 8 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Ruse (Omtose)
2 votes Omtose (Shadow, Galain)
4 votes Fener (Ruse, Gamelon, Kaschan, D'riss)
8 have not voted (Barghast, Gamelon, Hoods Path, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas, Tennes)
15 players alive, 8 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Ruse (Omtose)
2 votes Omtose (Shadow, Galain)
4 votes Fener (Ruse, Gamelon, Kaschan, D'riss)
8 have not voted (Barghast, Gamelon, Hoods Path, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas, Tennes)
#231 Guest_Omtose_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 05:47 AM
Shadow;374616 said:
Ahem.
So let me get this straight, because I find you suspicious, and use your own words against you, I get labeled as straw manning, a term that has never before been used in mafia history, yet labeled nonetheless. And you say that I am suspicious for that? Give me a break, this has to be the worst reasoning I have ever heard. But enough with the pissing contest, you and I clearly don't see eye to eye, so I am content with leaving you with this, I am watching you my friend, and waiting for one slip to nail you on. That doesn't mean that I have to be close-minded about the rest of the game.
So let me get this straight, because I find you suspicious, and use your own words against you, I get labeled as straw manning, a term that has never before been used in mafia history, yet labeled nonetheless. And you say that I am suspicious for that? Give me a break, this has to be the worst reasoning I have ever heard. But enough with the pissing contest, you and I clearly don't see eye to eye, so I am content with leaving you with this, I am watching you my friend, and waiting for one slip to nail you on. That doesn't mean that I have to be close-minded about the rest of the game.
Using my own words against me? Since you still haven't responded to this.
Omtose Post 160 said:
Got a few minutes, time to answer some of the things thrown my way since I left.
1. So trying to get things to actually happen is questionable.
2. Galain's first post after my arrival and vote for Ruse (post 69) is a seemingly negative comment about it. His very next post is a vote for Ruse (post 71). I felt that was worthy of comment.
3. Recon, reactions, response. The three Rs. What info can I get from it in the form of reactions of other players and the responses of the target. ie, Info, right now. Not once a lynch happens, not tomorrow. Now.
As to strawmanning, a prime example from Shadow.
First underlined bit: I haven't pushed any case on Ruse. I voted and gave a reason. Never have I called for others to vote Ruse and I haven't been hounding everything he says as I would be doing if I was trying to push his lynch.
Second underlined bit: Instead of looking for scummy play? My vote for Ruse was based on scummy play. Weakly scummy, I know (I have never said otherwise), but scummy non-the-less.
Third underlined bit: Lynching for the sake of getting a lynch is something I have never suggested or advocated at any point. Ever.
Fourth underlined bit: I never said for more information on day 2. I said for information (and maybe that was misinterpreted), but I meant now, in the form of discussion, reactions and responses - as mentioned above.
All of these are instances of strawmanning (as stated the last may be simple misinterpretation), presenting as fact (see the bolded bit at the end) things which I have never said or done.
The strawmanning point is addressed above. I never said lynches, just trains: how they form and how the people the form on react. Lycnhes do offer information, lots of it actually, but not on day one - which is where we are now.
Shadow;374332 said:
1. This is why I thought your play questionable
2. If you wanted a wagon, and knew it might lead to his lynch, why question Galain for helping with the wagon you wanted? It seemed to me that you didn't want to be accused of starting a wagon, if it in fact caused a Ruse lynch.
3. Then why did you vote? You already stated his WIFOM reasoning was scummy, I think your play style is scummy, so I voted, in the hopes of getting you lynched, to find out if my suspicions are correct.
Also, the fact that I have been quoting you, and pointing out inconsistencies makes you think I am scummy, "strawmanning" isn't a term I am familiar with. I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am trying to get clarification on what you are trying to say.
2. If you wanted a wagon, and knew it might lead to his lynch, why question Galain for helping with the wagon you wanted? It seemed to me that you didn't want to be accused of starting a wagon, if it in fact caused a Ruse lynch.
3. Then why did you vote? You already stated his WIFOM reasoning was scummy, I think your play style is scummy, so I voted, in the hopes of getting you lynched, to find out if my suspicions are correct.
Also, the fact that I have been quoting you, and pointing out inconsistencies makes you think I am scummy, "strawmanning" isn't a term I am familiar with. I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am trying to get clarification on what you are trying to say.
1. So trying to get things to actually happen is questionable.
2. Galain's first post after my arrival and vote for Ruse (post 69) is a seemingly negative comment about it. His very next post is a vote for Ruse (post 71). I felt that was worthy of comment.
3. Recon, reactions, response. The three Rs. What info can I get from it in the form of reactions of other players and the responses of the target. ie, Info, right now. Not once a lynch happens, not tomorrow. Now.
As to strawmanning, a prime example from Shadow.
Shadow;374312 said:
No, I stated that it was interesting that my vote on Omtose for bullying was considered weak, while his case on Ruse(the question of Kaschan silencing himself) is considered strong.
I am acusing Omtose of being reckless/ruthless, and suggesting thats how Big Ben would play. And to clarify, I am saying that Omtoses reasoning (pushing weak cases for the sake of lynching) is scummy, instead of trying to catch slips or looking for scummy play. Even on day 1 it is counter productive to start a train in the hopes that we can lynch just for the sake of getting a lynch, I would rather that we look at the gameplay of others and present cases based on that, as opposed to bullying and hoping that a train forms "for more information on day 2", regardless of the case, which is what Omtose would like to see.
I am acusing Omtose of being reckless/ruthless, and suggesting thats how Big Ben would play. And to clarify, I am saying that Omtoses reasoning (pushing weak cases for the sake of lynching) is scummy, instead of trying to catch slips or looking for scummy play. Even on day 1 it is counter productive to start a train in the hopes that we can lynch just for the sake of getting a lynch, I would rather that we look at the gameplay of others and present cases based on that, as opposed to bullying and hoping that a train forms "for more information on day 2", regardless of the case, which is what Omtose would like to see.
First underlined bit: I haven't pushed any case on Ruse. I voted and gave a reason. Never have I called for others to vote Ruse and I haven't been hounding everything he says as I would be doing if I was trying to push his lynch.
Second underlined bit: Instead of looking for scummy play? My vote for Ruse was based on scummy play. Weakly scummy, I know (I have never said otherwise), but scummy non-the-less.
Third underlined bit: Lynching for the sake of getting a lynch is something I have never suggested or advocated at any point. Ever.
Fourth underlined bit: I never said for more information on day 2. I said for information (and maybe that was misinterpreted), but I meant now, in the form of discussion, reactions and responses - as mentioned above.
All of these are instances of strawmanning (as stated the last may be simple misinterpretation), presenting as fact (see the bolded bit at the end) things which I have never said or done.
Serc;374333 said:
Shadow is not strawmanning you. Stop accusing others of what you are doing, it is a poor misdirection tactic.
You 'wonder' where you said you are voting for Ruse to get more information, despite the fact you have said numerous times that the only information on day one is trains and lynches.
You 'wonder' where you said you are voting for Ruse to get more information, despite the fact you have said numerous times that the only information on day one is trains and lynches.
The strawmanning point is addressed above. I never said lynches, just trains: how they form and how the people the form on react. Lycnhes do offer information, lots of it actually, but not on day one - which is where we are now.
In the middle section: the underlined bits are all stances or actions you have attributed to me. I would like you to provide quotes that prove these. Since Fener's response, while not awe-inspiring, is reasonable,
Unvote, Vote Shadow
Until you can provide such quotes.
Shadow;374616 said:
Fener, you are at L-4 with 13.5 hours left(or so), I choose to leave my vote where it is, if it comes down to it, I will hammer you though, so hopefully you make a good defense. Might I sugest voting against Omtose and saying that he is Big Ben, a more important bad guy than Uncle Ben?
Anyway, I'll be back in 10 to 12 hours, to see what happened and perhaps recast my vote.

"Agree with me and I might not hammer you when the chance comes," is how this paragraph reads to me. It feels very scummy.
#232 Guest_Ruse_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:15 AM
Right, I'm going to do something potentially really, really stupid... but I'll do it, as it could possibly lead to something good. At least if I'm wrong, it will give those involved the chance to prove their innocence, and if you all think I've done something stupid you can lynch me for it.
Right, I have suspected for quite a long time that Mockra is UB and Omtose is BB. The reason for this is Mockra's posts, thus:
His first post clearly has a code for Omtose in there (first letter of first word of each sentence), so I assumed immediately that he and Omtose are paired, rolled innos.
However, second post:
This is Mockra agreeing with Omtose's insistence that my one post about whether Kas is really UB is very scummy. I started thinking, why would Mockra just jump in and agree with Omtose about the very first person Omtose has been pointing a finger at? If they're partnered, shouldn't they try probing a few people, rather than just the one?
He comes on again later and posts this:
So he's still pointing the finger at me (see bold), though he admits it's weak. He hasn't done anything else of note in this game.
So I looked at Omtose's posts, to see if he's coded Mockra into his posts. Here's the first batch. I don't see Mockra encoded into Omtose's posts. Maybe someone else can?
So, I started thinking... why would one partner code their partner's name, but the other doesn't? It made me think of a symp trying to protect their master by giving him the chance to fake reveal as a pair.
I know, bit of a stretch that, and UB is not the typical symp character. But seeing as how Mockra's code was so terrible, I think it's possible that he's planning on doing that at some point.
So there you go, I suspect Mockra of being UB and Omtose being BB. I realise that if I'm wrong, I've just outed an inno pair, and if that's the case then I can only apologise to you all and accept whatever happens to me.
But fuck it, eh?
vote Omtose
For being my suspected BB, as well as for also ringing alarm bells in my head with his insistence we play the game clinically (i.e. the way he wants us to play it). He will likely accuse me of omgus, too... but you can see from above why it's not.
And now I'm off to work, back in about 10 hours.
Right, I have suspected for quite a long time that Mockra is UB and Omtose is BB. The reason for this is Mockra's posts, thus:
Mockra;374271 said:
Oh..? My my.
This started yesterday already? One would think a Sunday start would be slow.
Seems that is not the case.
Everyone shown up yet?
Or am i just one of many still to come?
dang now i got to catch up on all the nonsense that has been posted in my absence...bah
This started yesterday already? One would think a Sunday start would be slow.
Seems that is not the case.
Everyone shown up yet?
Or am i just one of many still to come?
dang now i got to catch up on all the nonsense that has been posted in my absence...bah
His first post clearly has a code for Omtose in there (first letter of first word of each sentence), so I assumed immediately that he and Omtose are paired, rolled innos.
However, second post:
Mockra;374273 said:
Hmmm
yea i tend to agree with this.
Ruse seem to be just trying to fish for an easy target to lynch.
yea i tend to agree with this.
Ruse seem to be just trying to fish for an easy target to lynch.
This is Mockra agreeing with Omtose's insistence that my one post about whether Kas is really UB is very scummy. I started thinking, why would Mockra just jump in and agree with Omtose about the very first person Omtose has been pointing a finger at? If they're partnered, shouldn't they try probing a few people, rather than just the one?
He comes on again later and posts this:
Mockra;374362 said:
some interesting discussions going on, Havent really got much to add for todays discussion.
Have had a rough afternoon (stayed too long at the pub last night and feeling real groggy the whole day)
Should be more vocal tomorrow once my hangover has completely dissipated.
So far I'd say ruse's use of wifom as a reason to potentially lynch someone is the scummiest thing ive seen so far. Which is admittedly very weak.
Well im going home to sleep, might be on later but i doubt it.
Have had a rough afternoon (stayed too long at the pub last night and feeling real groggy the whole day)
Should be more vocal tomorrow once my hangover has completely dissipated.
So far I'd say ruse's use of wifom as a reason to potentially lynch someone is the scummiest thing ive seen so far. Which is admittedly very weak.
Well im going home to sleep, might be on later but i doubt it.
So he's still pointing the finger at me (see bold), though he admits it's weak. He hasn't done anything else of note in this game.
So I looked at Omtose's posts, to see if he's coded Mockra into his posts. Here's the first batch. I don't see Mockra encoded into Omtose's posts. Maybe someone else can?
Omtose;374133 said:
This kind of speculation leads nowhere but wifom as quite clearly indicated from HP's subsequent post.
The only way that we can get anything going and start getting reactions out of people is to vote.
VOTE RUSE
For above mentioned wifom... until something more solid comes along to vote on.
The only way that we can get anything going and start getting reactions out of people is to vote.
VOTE RUSE
For above mentioned wifom... until something more solid comes along to vote on.
Omtose;374139 said:
Voting is the only way anything really happens. Discussion is good, but only if it is initiated by, centres around or leads to voting.
Omtose;374146 said:
Woot, bandwagon.
Interesting to see what the other have to say now... discussion between two people voting for the same person doesn't lead very far.
Interesting to see what the other have to say now... discussion between two people voting for the same person doesn't lead very far.
Omtose;374149 said:
Voting for yourself is stupid unless you're a jester. Anything else is giving up on your team (minus the cases of a few extraordinary gambits I've seen). And I'm not necessarily happy with Galain's vote as it seems a bit opportnistic... but I like bandwagons.
Omtose;374152 said:
lol... He thinks I'm a n00b... You do realise, Galain, that a fair number of times the first person to start getting votes is the day one lynch, right? That's not to say that Ruse should or shouldn't be that lynch in this game, but it is indication that every bandwagon, no matter how small or early, should be taken at least a little seriously.
Omtose;374161 said:
Anyway, its time for me to go. See you all in what will probably be quite a few hours.
So, I started thinking... why would one partner code their partner's name, but the other doesn't? It made me think of a symp trying to protect their master by giving him the chance to fake reveal as a pair.
I know, bit of a stretch that, and UB is not the typical symp character. But seeing as how Mockra's code was so terrible, I think it's possible that he's planning on doing that at some point.
So there you go, I suspect Mockra of being UB and Omtose being BB. I realise that if I'm wrong, I've just outed an inno pair, and if that's the case then I can only apologise to you all and accept whatever happens to me.
But fuck it, eh?
vote Omtose
For being my suspected BB, as well as for also ringing alarm bells in my head with his insistence we play the game clinically (i.e. the way he wants us to play it). He will likely accuse me of omgus, too... but you can see from above why it's not.
And now I'm off to work, back in about 10 hours.
#233 Guest_Path-Shaper_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:21 AM
It is day 1, 8 hours and 40 minutes left
15 players alive, 8 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Shadow (Omtose)
3 votes Omtose (Shadow, Galain, Ruse)
3 votes Fener (Gamelon, Kaschan, D'riss)
8 have not voted (Barghast, Fener, Hoods Path, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas, Tennes)
15 players alive, 8 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Shadow (Omtose)
3 votes Omtose (Shadow, Galain, Ruse)
3 votes Fener (Gamelon, Kaschan, D'riss)
8 have not voted (Barghast, Fener, Hoods Path, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas, Tennes)
#234 Guest_Barghast_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:54 AM
I was just going to post and say that I think Omtose and Shadow are two innocents with wires crossed. There isn't anything particular damning in either of their cases as I think both would agree.
However Ruse... WTF? Are you trying to pull a Khell?
You've basically forced them to come out now. Its really unlikely an evil guy is going to have codes and come out like that. If they claim Finder and there are Finders already out there they will counter claim and will be caught out. Sure we will have to lynch one of each, but it will be obvious and we have enough numbers to lose 3 or 4 innocents and still be in a heathly position if we get an evil from it.
We might have to lynch you now Ruse for being potentially Uncle Ben and sending a message to Big Ben saying you found paired innocents and thusly a powerful role and thought it was worth the sacrifice. It being so early on though you might just get away with it.
Still I guess lets hear from Omtose and Mockra and see what they have to say.
However Ruse... WTF? Are you trying to pull a Khell?
You've basically forced them to come out now. Its really unlikely an evil guy is going to have codes and come out like that. If they claim Finder and there are Finders already out there they will counter claim and will be caught out. Sure we will have to lynch one of each, but it will be obvious and we have enough numbers to lose 3 or 4 innocents and still be in a heathly position if we get an evil from it.
We might have to lynch you now Ruse for being potentially Uncle Ben and sending a message to Big Ben saying you found paired innocents and thusly a powerful role and thought it was worth the sacrifice. It being so early on though you might just get away with it.
Still I guess lets hear from Omtose and Mockra and see what they have to say.
#235 Guest_D'riss_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:10 AM
Someone has been delving... nice find, but it'd been probably better if you had kept it a secret (a bit/quite some time) longer until there was more to tie it to.
All we really have is a one-way connection between 2 people, one of whom has adopted a playstyle which is rubbing several of us the wrong way, and that's all... Still, if one of the two is going to be lynched, then I'll agree with hanging Omtose first.
All we really have is a one-way connection between 2 people, one of whom has adopted a playstyle which is rubbing several of us the wrong way, and that's all... Still, if one of the two is going to be lynched, then I'll agree with hanging Omtose first.
#236 Guest_Barghast_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:40 AM
D said:
Someone has been delving... nice find, but it'd been probably better if you had kept it a secret (a bit/quite some time) longer until there was more to tie it to.
All we really have is a one-way connection between 2 people, one of whom has adopted a playstyle which is rubbing several of us the wrong way, and that's all... Still, if one of the two is going to be lynched, then I'll agree with hanging Omtose first.
All we really have is a one-way connection between 2 people, one of whom has adopted a playstyle which is rubbing several of us the wrong way, and that's all... Still, if one of the two is going to be lynched, then I'll agree with hanging Omtose first.
How is pointing out a probable pair of roled innocents a nice find?
Why would we be hanging Omtose first? If Omtose confirms that he and Mockra are partners and their role then the person we will be hanging will probably be Ruse, or perhaps you for pointing out what a great find it is.
If Omtose has no clue about Mockra then we lynch Mockra for coding some elses name in when they're not paired and then see what the CF tells us from that.
I'd say its pretty far fetched that Team Evil would waste their time with a code or pretending to be a roled pair when it can be so easily refuted. I could be wrong, but its rather unlikely.
#237 Guest_Mockra_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:43 AM
Ruse;374372 said:
Mockra, I haven't once said that we should be lynching anyone.
You know, you're really not as subtle as you think you are.
You know, you're really not as subtle as you think you are.
So what?...you DONT want to lynch?
You were the one who started using a wifom argument that Kaschan could be the UB...no?...am i wrong?
If you say this then you are using wifom as an argument to try and potentially get Kaschan lynched. Im not being subtle...im being bluntly honest.
Keep it up strawman

back to catching up

#238 Guest_Mockra_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:47 AM
Galain;374395 said:
@Kas. Let me see if I have the first one right.
Feners post matches the path-shaper PM regarding the UB silencing of you?
Feners post matches the path-shaper PM regarding the UB silencing of you?
To be fair the terms UB and BB where used quite allot in the last Benses game.
I wouldnt look too much into it to be honest.
EDIT- ok so its the whole sentance thats the same "that UB dosnt like the Kaschan alt"
Is interesting...
#239 Guest_Hoods Path_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:01 AM
God dammit I'm being pulled away from my computer time. Just got on and then my mom tells me to do stuf
. Brb (hopefully)

#240 Guest_Mockra_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:10 AM
Shadow;374616 said:
Ahem.
So let me get this straight, because I find you suspicious, and use your own words against you, I get labeled as straw manning, a term that has never before been used in mafia history, yet labeled nonetheless. And you say that I am suspicious for that? Give me a break, this has to be the worst reasoning I have ever heard. But enough with the pissing contest, you and I clearly don't see eye to eye, so I am content with leaving you with this, I am watching you my friend, and waiting for one slip to nail you on. That doesn't mean that I have to be close-minded about the rest of the game.
So let me get this straight, because I find you suspicious, and use your own words against you, I get labeled as straw manning, a term that has never before been used in mafia history, yet labeled nonetheless. And you say that I am suspicious for that? Give me a break, this has to be the worst reasoning I have ever heard. But enough with the pissing contest, you and I clearly don't see eye to eye, so I am content with leaving you with this, I am watching you my friend, and waiting for one slip to nail you on. That doesn't mean that I have to be close-minded about the rest of the game.
You do know that scum can ONLY build cases by "strawmanning" right? since they have to purposely misinterperate what people say to make them look scummy. So for you to say this is "the worst reasoning you ever heard" is a rather bold statement. Especially since this is day one, and bad reasons are a dime a dozen and likely to get you lynched at a drop of a hat.
You clearly misinterpreted what he was saying (wether it was intentional r not only time will tell), you have been called out on it and have been labeled potential scum. Your knee jerk reaction now speaks volumes to me.
Shadow;374616 said:
Fener, you are at L-4 with 13.5 hours left(or so), I choose to leave my vote where it is, if it comes down to it, I will hammer you though, so hopefully you make a good defense. Might I sugest voting against Omtose and saying that he is Big Ben, a more important bad guy than Uncle Ben?
Anyway, I'll be back in 10 to 12 hours, to see what happened and perhaps recast my vote.

I am not even sure how this fener thing works.
Are we to believe that Fener told the mods he doesn't like the kaschan alt, then the mods told Kaschan that UB doesn't like the Kaschan alt, and THEN fener decided to tell the whole thread what he told the mods?
Thats one helluva lot of coincidences.