[Keyoke]

Been awhile since I read this book, but, I am wondering, what was the secret Mappo was so worried about Icarium from discovering? (POSSIBLE SPOILER AHEAD)

Spoiler

I seem to recall that it was he (Ic) that destroyed Mappo's tribe/clan. And that he is the son of the Jaghut that is trapped in the Azath house?

Details.

Keyoke

[Cerberus Maw]

Uh, well, there are kind of several, if I'm following the gist of your question right. I'll spoiler them just in case.

Spoiler

1. When on the Island of the First Empire, Mappo hides from Icarium that it was he who destroyed the civilization, and only left his Time measuring device. This becomes slightly moot anyway, as Mappo tells him when they are at Tremolor.

2. Mappo believes that Icarium destroyed his Trell clan. Later, Gothos seems to reveal this was actually commited by the Nameless Ones. And yes, he is Gothos son. He also goes onto reveal the nature of Icarium, and how/why he was damaged.

3. Mappo is there to prevent Icarium from finding out about his past, and what he really is. Again, he eventually tells Icarium as they enter the Azath. As he says to Fiddler "It is a quest that I would keep endless", when at the Shadow Temple with Pust.

[caladanbrood]

Mappo is basically trying to save Icarium from remembering the horrors in his own past - he's killed a lot of people;)

[Shpetim]

Mostly he's there to prevent him from falling into rage. Which is why he is careful to knock him out cold everytime said danger lurks too close...

[Excellence]

The secret is that Icarium rage is uncontrollable when ignited.

If he gets angry enough, he kills and just doesn't stop. He'll wipe out cities and even civilisations. He can't help it, the need to met out justice. He's mentally injured, for reasons you'll find out in later books.

It's not really a spoiler to say so, it doesn't affect anything you'll read. Icarium comes close to losing control end of Deadhouse Gates. It's in The Bonehunters you'll see him go full berseker against a wide range of powerful creatures -- of all whom are blasted away. Heh. You'll understand why he needs . . . Azathing.

[The Farmer]

Has it been written as to why Icarium is so violent and how does he have these powers?
On the surface he seems such a nice chap.

[HoosierDaddy]

Errr... I don't know if you've finished the book yet. Spoilers...

Spoiler

Icarium damaged an Azath in an attempt to free his father, Gothos, who is a guardian of them more or less, damaging the Azath in turn damaged him even more.

[Aptorian]

It has not been properly explained why Icarium is so dangerous that even the gods fear him, but we can make a guess. His father, Gothos is one of the most powerfull Jaghut that has ever lived, that means that Icarium - his Jhag mixed blood heritage aside - may have the power of a Jaghut Tyrant. A Jaghut Tyrant is easily able to do the things that Icarium has been said to do. Add to that the fact that Azath may have afflicted him with some kind of chaotic virus thingy that twisted that power and you have a very dangerous person with absolutly no control himself.

[The Farmer]

I hope more will be written about the wonderful {and massive} time devices he has made.

[Mirthmonkey]

HoosierDaddy, on Dec 26 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Errr... I don't know if you've finished the book yet. Spoilers...

Spoiler

Icarium damaged an Azath in an attempt to free his father, Gothos, who is a guardian of them more or less, damaging the Azath in turn damaged him even more.

Sorry to dredge up on old thread, but it's new to me. I just finished Deadhouse Gates and I believe it says Icarium damaged a warren and was in turn damaged in doing so. I'm not sure why or how he damaged a warren trying to free his father from an Azath. Isn't there remains of a damaged, twisted warren in the desert though? Now for some reason I can't remember which characters end up in it. Anyone recall? And is it perhaps the same warren that Icarium damaged?

[D'rek]

Mirthmonkey, on May 28 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

Sorry to dredge up on old thread, but it's new to me. I just finished Deadhouse Gates and I believe it says Icarium damaged a warren and was in turn damaged in doing so. I'm not sure why or how he damaged a warren trying to free his father from an Azath. Isn't there remains of a damaged, twisted warren in the desert though? Now for some reason I can't remember which characters end up in it. Anyone recall? And is it perhaps the same warren that Icarium damaged?

Well there's the warren that Kulp, Stormy, Gesler, Felisin, Baudin, Heboric and Truth sail through after leaving Otataral island and fleeing from the crazy mage in the sky, if that's the warren you're thinking of? {Though I should note here that they go through 3 warrens, the first is the one that might fit your description (the second is the Shadow realm and the third is a realm of fire).}

If so, then good on ya for thinking about that. At this point I can't say if Iccy damaged that warren or not because if is not known.

If that's not the warren you're thinking of then I have no idea.

[Kryphon]

I want to read about him attacking the Azath. So far that sounds like the most entertaining fight with Icarium. I either want that or when he destroyed Raraku. I'd like to know how they calmed him down.

[Mirthmonkey]

D'rek, on May 28 2009, 07:51 PM, said:

Well there's the warren that Kulp, Stormy, Gesler, Felisin, Baudin, Heboric and Truth sail through after leaving Otataral island and fleeing from the crazy mage in the sky, if that's the warren you're thinking of? {Though I should note here that they go through 3 warrens, the first is the one that might fit your description (the second is the Shadow realm and the third is a realm of fire).}

If so, then good on ya for thinking about that. At this point I can't say if Iccy damaged that warren or not because if is not known.

If that's not the warren you're thinking of then I have no idea.

I looked it up again last night. There's a mangled warren around the Azath Tremerlor. As they get closer Mappo recalls the stories that Icarium first appeared walking out of Raraku (sp? - the big desert), which is where they are now of course, and wonders if they are entering the source of Icarium's rage. So yeah, it seems that Icarium's assault on an Azath in an attempt to free his father tore up an entire warren and damaged him in turn.

[Sirchicken]

I still don't really get Icarium and Mappo.

Spoiler

I remember that at some point it says that Mappo was sent to kill Icarium, but

he doesn't. But why?

[Aptorian]

Sent to kill him?

Don't you mean control him? He was supposed to be the safe guard against Iccy going mental at the wrong times, stearing the Jhag where the NO wanted him.

It's not certain Mappo even could kill him.

[D'rek]

Sirchicken, on Jun 24 2009, 08:26 PM, said:

I still don't really get Icarium and Mappo.

Spoiler

I remember that at some point it says that Mappo was sent to kill Icarium, but

he doesn't. But why?

As Apt said, Mappo's main purpose was to keep Iccy as under control as possible, but further to that I believe that there might've been some talk of the NOs wanting Mappo to lead Iccy into the grounds of Tremorlor and let him be taken by the Azath house perhaps?

[Avatar]

Cerberus Maw: what book do your spoilers come from?

[beru]

its form DHG i belive...

This post has been edited by beru: 26 June 2009 - 12:57 AM

[coltainereborn]

Its all kind of in bits and pieces in the path of hands thread. but alot more comes out when Fiddler shows up, and when they actually get to the Azath grounds.

[petesapizza]

I believe that his toblakai heritage from his mothers side also contributes to his rage attacks as well.