[Abyss]

I suppose the follow-up to that is the question: Mitigate what?

Why was Edgewalker there to help ST/Cot iron out anything with Hood? They were already plotting at least back in RG is not earlier. S ome element of the plan to deal with Dragnipur which required Edgy's assistance?

Maybe Edgy's stepping in the act for Hood post Rake's taking him out... hmmm...
ie: Edgy is there to mitigate the effect of Death suddenly being without its primary agent...

who do you get to replace an undead guardian Jaghut? Why, an undead guardian Tiste of course...

- Abyss, wondering if he hasn't stumbled on something there...

[Cougar]

Hey kitty cat, I thought we hadn't seen you for a while.

[Dance]

Abyss;354652 said:

I suppose the follow-up to that is the question: Mitigate what?

Why was Edgewalker there to help ST/Cot iron out anything with Hood? They were already plotting at least back in RG is not earlier. S ome element of the plan to deal with Dragnipur which required Edgy's assistance?

Maybe Edgy's stepping in the act for Hood post Rake's taking him out... hmmm...
ie: Edgy is there to mitigate the effect of Death suddenly being without its primary agent...

who do you get to replace an undead guardian Jaghut? Why, an undead guardian Tiste of course...

- Abyss, wondering if he hasn't stumbled on something there...

Isn't Edgewalker an Elder God (per his "Elemental Force" comment)?

[HoosierDaddy]

Dance;354664 said:

Isn't Edgewalker an Elder God (per his "Elemental Force" comment)?

Yes he is. Perhaps elemental force of shadow has been theorized.

I still don't get why people think someone has to take over Hood's realm. They discuss what will happen with people's souls now that he is gone, and it doesn't sound like theory.

@Abyss: Random war bear. Yes. Definitely not pedantic.

[Dance]

HoosierDaddy;354667 said:

Yes he is. Perhaps elemental force of shadow has been theorized.

I still don't get why people think someone has to take over Hood's realm. They discuss what will happen with people's souls now that he is gone, and it doesn't sound like theory.

@Abyss: Random war bear. Yes. Definitely not pedantic.

We know that Gothos stopped Hood in the Letheri region with his ritual. The result was wraiths/ghosts all over - wouldn't the same happen all over if Hood is taken out of the picture? Or will his "death machine" (whatever automated process he uses, since he states he doesn't show up in person for everyone) keep on working?

[Abyss]

Cougar;354659 said:

Hey kitty cat, I thought we hadn't seen you for a while.

I was dead. I got better. Like Tufty.

Dance;354664 said:

Isn't Edgewalker an Elder God (per his "Elemental Force" comment)?

HoosierDaddy;354667 said:

Yes he is. Perhaps elemental force of shadow has been theorized.

Speculated and hinted but never confirmed actually. Edgy may has said he was an elemental force, but undead dudes lie all the time.

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I still don't get why people think someone has to take over Hood's realm. They discuss what will happen with people's souls now that he is gone, and it doesn't sound like theory.

In TB the TTG travel thru a death warren and the souls there rage/whine about how Hood does nothing with them - obviously not the case as now we know he was using/holding some of them for his army, but now that he's gone, what happens to those souls and the aspect of death - does death require a gatekeeper? And if the answer is yes, then who gets the job, and if no, then why was Hood doing it all that time?

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@Abyss: Random war bear. Yes. Definitely not pedantic.

Never underestimate the power of a pedantic war bear god.

Dance;354668 said:

We know that Gothos stopped Hood in the Letheri region with his ritual. The result was wraiths/ghosts all over - wouldn't the same happen all over if Hood is taken out of the picture? Or will his "death machine" (whatever automated process he uses, since he states he doesn't show up in person for everyone) keep on working?

And THAT is the question - per above, barring a Gothos=level intrusion, does death require a figurehead? And what now happens to a world without one: all that swearing on Hood's various body parts is suddenly without meaning. Hood no longer has balls or anything else, it would appear.

Ummm.... or something....

- Abyss, doesn't really need to spend time thinking abouyt undead balls, all things considered....

[HoosierDaddy]

Dance;354668 said:

We know that Gothos stopped Hood in the Letheri region with his ritual. The result was wraiths/ghosts all over - wouldn't the same happen all over if Hood is taken out of the picture? Or will his "death machine" (whatever automated process he uses, since he states he doesn't show up in person for everyone) keep on working?

TTH: pg 836

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Draconus "So who will claim the dead?"
Hood: "Let the gods see to their own."
The coldness of that response staggered Draconus. "And what of those who worship no gods?"
Hood: "Yes, what of them?"
Draconus: "What's that supposed to mean?"
"After this,"Hood said, still studying the wagon, "the dead will not be my concern. Ever again."

Well I guess maybe there is hope for the other souls that don't worship gods.

[Dance]

HoosierDaddy;354675 said:

TTH: pg 836


Well I guess maybe there is hope for the other souls that don't worship gods.

So it seems that either 1) the other gods take care of their worshipers, or 2) we get a Lether scenario... everywhere. Unless Hood's dead-claiming machinery is still active, in which case the other gods get their worshipers and everyone else ends up stranded in Hood's realm with nothing to do.

[HoosierDaddy]

Dance;354687 said:

So it seems that either 1) the other gods take care of their worshipers, or 2) we get a Lether scenario... everywhere. Unless Hood's dead-claiming machinery is still active, in which case the other gods get their worshipers and everyone else ends up stranded in Hood's realm with nothing to do.

I think Lether was made possibly only by the power of Gothos' Omtose Phellack ritual.

I think it's def. #1 and possibly #1 & #2 together.

I don't think Hood needs to be in what used to be his realm for it to still function as a repository for the souls already there. There is precedence: the Imass Refugium in RG.

As stated so many times before, the question is what happens to those souls not worshiping a god now. Perhaps they can still go through the gate. It's not like Hood greeted most of them anyways.

[Dance]

HoosierDaddy;354689 said:

I think Lether was made possibly only by the power of Gothos' Omtose Phellack ritual.

I think it's def. #1 and possibly #1 & #2 together.

I don't think Hood needs to be in what used to be his realm for it to still function as a repository for the souls already there. There is precedence: the Imass Refugium in RG.

As stated so many times before, the question is what happens to those souls not worshiping a god now. Perhaps they can still go through the gate. It's not like Hood greeted most of them anyways.

Consider that a lot of a god's power is tied up by worship. It may be that after some point, Hood collected souls because people believed he would, and therefore his power was used in that manner.

If he's dead, then that power may not be available. Alternatively, if word gets out that he's dead (even if not) and people stop believing in him, then maybe that portion of it falls apart. Or he can remove himself from the game, like the Errant did way back when, and deny access to that power.

[Ammanas]

To follow up:

1) I'm totally confused by the dozen pickled Seguleh. Was that the 4th Picker found first and the remainder's rankings are unknown?

2)Anyone have thoughts on the trouble Paran is in and where he is?

3)At the end, we have Mok, Karsa, Traveller, Kallor, Spite, Envy all in the same city? Oh yeah, Vorcan/Senu/Thurule, too. Damn, Caladan and Mappo shoulda stuck around--could have us one hell of a convergence.

4)Funniest moment--deadlocked between the Rake history book Crone gave to Baruk and the post-Quorl milk orgy.

[eekwibble]

HoosierDaddy;354667 said:

I still don't get why people think someone has to take over Hood's realm. They discuss what will happen with people's souls now that he is gone, and it doesn't sound like theory.

Cougar asked at the Manc signing something about the relationship/difference between Hood's realm and the Abyss (not you; Abyss, SE's 'Abyss') but Steve was reluctant to elaborate so it appears there's a whole lot more to come about that arc.

Cougar could probably remember better than me (I was drunk - for a change).

[Dolorous Menhir]

Ammanas;354960 said:

To follow up:

1) I'm totally confused by the dozen pickled Seguleh. Was that the 4th Picker found first and the remainder's rankings are unknown?

BH told us that the Seguleh were an army awaiting the Tyrant's return (presumably to serve rather than oppose him).

So maybe the pickled Seguleh are the advance troops.

[Illuyankas]

I am now certain that the undead dragon is Kagamandra Tulas Shorn, who did not desire peace, because of the passage in TTH where Steve outright says 'The undead lie, do not trust them.' So him - and others - lying their asses off is not hard to imagine at all.

Also, Kagamandra is a member of UDSEETA.

[Greymane]

I really liked Spinnock as well. The reason why, I think, is that he comes across as a regular guy who just happens to be a badass warrior. He's not extremely arrogant, like Karsa, or completely emo or anything, and though there's a sense of tragedy about him he doesn't dwell on it much. He goes out, does his thing, and when he comes home he hangs out in taverns and has sex with his Freind With Benefits the High Priestess. One thing though - when Korlat called him brother, did she mean actual blood brother, like Orfantal, or more 'brother-in-arms' type thing?

[namo]

BEST OLD HISTORY WE'LL NEVER HEAR ABOUT EVER AGAIN: the Jaghuts marching against death.

[Terez]

I wouldn't bet that we'll never hear about that again - I imagine it rather has a great deal to do with what Hood has been planning all this time, after all...

I fail to see how the Hounds of Light were so surprising to people. I've been expecting that since we met the Deragoth. (EDIT: nevermind, I see in another thread now that apparently SE said there weren't any)

[HoosierDaddy]

Hetan;355421 said:

There is of course The Redeemer too - a more compassionate god perhaps?

And the addition of a "Salvation" card in the Deck of Dragons since TBH.

[Abyss]

Intriguing notion that the Redeemer might replace Hood, redeeming souls rather than just storing them. In the finale the narrative makes the point that the Redeemer does not judge, whereas we know Hood did at times (Beak's parents, Bidithal...).

- Abyss, rereading the finale, still in awe...