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 Jude, on 30 October 2008 - 01:29 AM, said:

it's been brought up before but why did Rake need to go into Drag at the precise time that he did. why didn't he just go in a year earlier or even a week earlier? Is it cause he needed someone as badass as Travman to kill him and no one like that was ever around? because it would have saved Hood and the BB an AWFUL lot of trouble

 Aptorian, on 30 October 2008 - 08:02 AM, said:

It is the weak link in Eriksons plot, and it is a really weak point.

Best explanation is that the sword couldn't be broken without letting a thousand bad things back into the world. So Rake and Hood planned for chaos to eat up the majority of the souls inside the sword before they broke it.

I just finished the book last night. So awesome and I read it slowly.

There was a scene deep down Black Coral where Dragnipur was stored in/on some obsidian stone. And it was bleeding / weeping due to not being used as often. Perhaps this has some link of establishing a place for KGalain / Mother Dark / Gate to Black Coral. Perhaps a destination from inside Dragnipur?

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I think it was the stone weeping from the power of Dragnipur being placed on it. The weight of all the souls and the Gate to KG forced the stone to weep, or melt, or form condensation or something. Rake even tells Endest Silann as he does it, I believe, that every once in awhile he needs to put it down and be free of the weight of Dragnipur for a few moments.

Now, don't view this as literal weight, Rake is not holding an entire warren on his back, its just metaphorical.

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 WhiskeyJackDaniels, on 09 March 2010 - 12:27 AM, said:

...don't view this as literal weight, Rake is not holding an entire warren on his back, its just metaphorical.

Actually, the stone's reaction convinced me that it was both. There is a huge ugly metaphorical weight to carrying around sword filled with the gate to the creator of the universe/your mother, who will die if you don't kill a lot of people and commit their souls to an eternity (or so) of hideous labour and wastage in said sword...

BUT

...it's also frikkin heavy.

Which goes a long way to showing just how powerful Rake was, to say nothing of being able to use that sword against Dassem.

- Abyss, would have rented a U-Haul.

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I think I've come round to the view that wielding Dragnipur entails bearing up under the moral weight of the responsibility. It weighs on Rake because every decision he makes has a moral aspect (and explains why Hood would give such added burden -- slaying him means consigning all of the souls of which he is custodian to Dragnipur and oblivion, by the terms of their agreement as far as we know it). That moral weight is why the stone weeps -- Burn crying out at the burden shouldered by one of her fiercest protectors.

It's entirely possible that a sociopath could wield Dragnipur without any weight. Kallor would be a deadly threat, as he apparently had no qualms about killing the millions under his rule, and that may be why Rake chose to sacrifice Spinnock to prevent him from even possibly getting his hands on it.

This post has been edited by jitsukerr: 09 March 2010 - 11:42 AM

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 jitsukerr, on 09 March 2010 - 11:41 AM, said:

... That moral weight is why the stone weeps -- Burn crying out at the burden shouldered by one of her fiercest protectors...

Interesting theory. I could be wrong, but isn't the stone described a chunk of black basalt from Kurald Galain or something? Quote fu anyone?

I see the reasoning that runs to 'moral' or 'metaphorical weight, but i think that's intrinsic in what Dragnipur is. The fact that it basically carries an entire world inside it suggests a physical weight as well.

- Abyss, rocky on this theory.

[Uli]

I am pretty sure there has to be physical weight as well I seem to remember rake's strength for carrying the blade being mentioned many times in a way that more or les said it would push someone of lesser strenght to their knees? maybe i just read it wrong though, thats entirely possible.

I love this book (love all of them I admit) and to my own amusement the characters I enjoy the least this reread are murillo, coll etc... whereas on the first read it was Nimander and Co.

Also reread the Nimander and Skintick at Gothos part a few times. Gothos wanted them to do somehting but they failed. Curious about what now Also curious to see what impact a house of the azath in the blood of dead dragons will have (we know gothos thought it was a bad idea).

I know i found somehting i thought was worth mentioning last night but, well, that memory did not survive sleeping

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There was a mention / joke from Toc that Hood wanted a wife.

There was also a scene with the TTG brief stop in that cliff / seaside tower where the women are cursed, and there was a couple of married Jaghut argiung that turns into clash of sorceries.

I find it funny and intriguing how Hood will turn up being married and have such arguments with his wife.