[Traveller]

The Trygalle carriage passes through Hood's realm, which is teaming with dead armies heading to war. When Hood is killed, and enters Dragnipur, he is accompanied by the dead armies.

- So what becomes of Hood's realm? Is it abandoned now Hood has ceased
to be the God of Death?

- Where do the dead go now?

- Do all the dead within Dragnipur get released now the sword is broken?

- And if they do... does that mean return of BB's, Toc etc? Or just those
chained?

Any ideas?

[Aptorian]

Nothing happens to the realm of death. It just lost its King, a new ruler will be around shortly you can be sure of that. Imagine if the Second became King... that would be almost as bad as the mad emperor Kelanved ruling shadow

The dead continue to go through the gate. That is, as I'm assuming, that the gate was opened again after the armies of the dead served their purpose. I would imagine that the remaining parts of Hoods army returned to the realm of the dead. Can't have thousands of undead soldiers roaming around can we.

The BBs were never gone. They've been around and free to roam the world since HoC, you just haven't been seeing them since they're apparently guarding some kind of bridge or something. The BBs aren't commanded by Hood or any other god. As for Toc, he's with Togg and Fancy now so he'll probably show up sometime in one form or another.

[HoosierDaddy]

Traveller;349808 said:

The Trygalle carriage passes through Hood's realm, which is teaming with dead armies heading to war. When Hood is killed, and enters Dragnipur, he is accompanied by the dead armies.

Any ideas on this would be good!

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- And if they do... does that mean return of BB's, Toc etc? Because that sounds a bit mad.

Well, Toc remains dead as we see in the end of the novel. How he can remain Herald of Death when there is no longer a god of Death seems strange.

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- will the dead within Dragnipur get released now the sword is broken?

I believe only those chained in Dragnipur may now escape. They never truly died, they were just imprisoned. That prison has now broken. The others will simply dissappear. The BB's could be a different story since they are ascendant. Don't know what will happen there.

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- So what of Hood's realm? Is it abandoned now Hood has ceased to be God of Death?

Your guess is as good as mine. Hood states that the God's will have to look after their own now. Maybe the Redeemer & Salvation will make up for the loss of Hood. The Redeemer redeems without be asked, he redeems those who don't want it. And, who knows what Salvation could be used for.

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- Where do the dead go now?

The Abyss? Nowhere? The moon? No idea. Some genius member should tell us though

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Nothing happens to the realm of death. It just lost its King, a new ruler will be around shortly you can be sure of that. Imagine if the Second became King... that would be almost as bad as the mad emperor Kelanved ruling shadow

The dead continue to go through the gate. That is, as I'm assuming, that the gate was opened again after the armies of the dead served their purpose.

Apt, you are ignoring Hood's statement that the God's will have to look after their own. And the other's horror when one mentions the people who don't have a God.

[Traveller]

Whiskeyjack and the BB's are present within the other (unascended) dead armies though, alongside Brukhalian etc within Dragnipur. When first introduced, Dragnipur was said to be impossible to escape. Now it seems like the dead can move freely in/out so long as they're not chained? (And the Trygalle, with Gruntle etc. Seems like Paran's title is now becoming a bit redundant.)

[HoosierDaddy]

Traveller;349826 said:

Whiskeyjack and the BB's are present within the other (unascended) dead armies though, alongside Brukhalian etc within Dragnipur. When first introduced, Dragnipur was said to be impossible to escape. Now it seems like the dead can move freely in/out so long as they're not chained?

I think this is an exaggeration. The dead can't move freely in or out. Hood, ruler of the realm of dead, carried certain members with him into Dragnipur by being taken by it. Paran remains the only live person to be in and out of Dragnipur without being chained by it or carried in by a God who was slain by it.

I imagine if Karsa would have been slain by dragnipur those ghosties attached to him probably would have gone with him into dragnipur. That's just a theory though.

Cartographer was evidently quite special. Talk about an apt name. Once again, you have the Hood connection there between them. Not redundant.

[Traveller]

And Gruntle?

[Aptorian]

Actually I think the reason to why Cartographer and all the armies of the dead were able to make it into the realm of the sword was because Hood served as their beacon.

Which is also the only reason I can accept for Hood needing to get his head chopped off.

[HoosierDaddy]

Traveller;349831 said:

And Gruntle?

See above. Connected through Cartographer to Hood.

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Actually I think the reason to why Cartographer and all the armies of the dead were able to make it into the realm of the sword was because Hood served as their beacon.

Which is also the only reason I can accept for Hood needing to get his head chopped off.

Which is another way of saying that Hood basically carried them in with him. Sans Hood's slain presence, no armies, no Trygalle.

[Aptorian]

I don't think he carried them in. Rather, like I wrote, he was a beacon. A fix point the army and cartographer could use to find the realm inside the sword. His last command "come to me" ment that the army was compelled to find him.

[Traveller]

Yes, Cartographer did provide the map/location of their destination... which was Hood. I still think the fate of the different groups, dead or not, within Dragnipur at the end was a little vague. I agree that the hint that Draconus is back indicates that the chained ones have been released. They were still killed by the sword, though..

[Illuyankas]

The line "You think I came alone?" helps too.

[Where is Dassem Ultor?]

Aptorian;349823 said:

Nothing happens to the realm of death. It just lost its King, a new ruler will be around shortly you can be sure of that. Imagine if the Second became King... that would be almost as bad as the mad emperor Kelanved ruling shadow

The dead continue to go through the gate. That is, as I'm assuming, that the gate was opened again after the armies of the dead served their purpose.

I disagree. We were told how the Jaghut warred against Death itself, and Hood has relinquished his mastery over that aspect. He said himself that he no longer cared what happened to the dead - their souls could be dealt with by their patron gods, or not at all.

The interesting question is what Baudin is now up to.

[Slum]

Shouldn't this thread title be altered to avoid outcry from the folks who haven't yet read the book? Or is it vague enough? I don't really care... why do I even bother?

[Illuyankas]

I'd say it's vague enough. Both of them contain dead souls, so it looks like a comparison thread, and there's no bookruining spoiler visible when you hover the mouse over the title.

[H'Ranga]

The really interesting question is:
In which way will they swear now? No more "hoods balls", "hoods breath", "to hood", "hoods marble balls on an anvil"?

And the other thing: Did anyone else notice that Baudin and the 2nd switched places? Wasn't Baudin knight and the 2nd soldier?

[Aptorian]

They were, a mistake on Eriksons part or a strategic reordering of personnel? I think it's the later.

[8th City]

I am assuming the dead will have similiar fates as those in the Lethur Empire where Hood was not able to have a presence.

[Use Of Weapons]

They'll swear in the same way. To the normal person with no connection to Ascendant events, Hood is just the name for Death. A change of personnel at the top would take time to filter into the vernacular. We still (in some parts of the world) say 'strewth', after all... (God's truth == 'struth == strewth, for those not aware of the connection.)

[Traveller]

yes, or that old curse 'zounds', from 'Gods wounds'.

Was the Jaghut sat on the ice throne in RG Hood? And if it was, what, if anything changes now that Hood is dead? Will he return to that frozen body/throne?

[blackzoid]

I'd say Hood led the war against death, it failed and in a compromise, he become death's lord. Now, I'd say he will return to the Ice Throne and rejuvenate Omtose Phellack