[Pallol One Eye]

blackzoid;351035 said:

I'd say Hood led the war against death, it failed and in a compromise, he become death's lord. Now, I'd say he will return to the Ice Throne and rejuvenate Omtose Phellack

That is quite the possibility. Particularly when you remember Envy's " My Father is Back" comment to Fisher at the end. There are lot's of other interesting characters in Dragnipur who are now free as well.

I know I am echoing something mentioned earlier in this thread, but what I find curious is the fact that an unchained ascendant army, "The Bridgeburners", can apparently enter Dragnipur at will, when the only previous method was to get killed by the sword. Perhaps their role in the House of War enables them to circumvent the normal process. But, in theory, any ascendant with enough power would have been able to do so. So why did Rake have to chose the method he did? Don't get me wrong that was probably one of the most powerful scenes in the entire series so far, and perhaps the sacrifice he made was the only way he could get there and do what he did to get through the fgate to Kurald Galain and back to Mother Dark.

Another thought was that Dujek was fighting alonside his comraes in the Bridgeburners. Has Dujek perhaps ascended with them. Also, Mallet and Blue Pearl, presumably they have joined the ranks of the ascended Bridgeburners as well.

[Grief]

Hood perhaps brought them as he says. Alternatively remember Hood made a deal with Paran, who could have assisted them get there, using his mysterious powers.

[waylander001]

I think we also need to remember that the Bridgeburners had to die before they became/become ascendant - which is quite different from just ascending through sheer power whilst still living. We've always been told that "there are many paths" so i take it those paths must have different consequences and characteristics for the souls in question - the Bridgeburners would definitely seem to be "death -aspected" though, maybe that made the difference for them being linked to Hood ...

[Sinisdar Toste]

actually every dead soul in hoods realm came to dragnipur. they all had to answer hoods command "come to me" and i guess that overpowers the borders of the world in the sword

[Aptorian]

I don't think Hood summoned every soul. Just the soldiers and warriors.

[Sinisdar Toste]

well cartographer was on his way there, and even ghosts that were so old they blew away at the slightest wind were too.

[Aptorian]

Im almost certain that cartopgrapher was sent to get the Trygalle.

[Optimus Prime]

I wonder where they will be "spit out", now that Dragnipur is no more?

[CaryNC]

Are we sure that Hood is no longer the Lord of Death? Why are people assuming that he is gone after being killed by Rake, because, like Draconus, he comes "back" when the sword is broken. It seems just as likely to me that, once the sword is broken, Hood is back as the Lord of Death because he was one of the souls chained to the wagon and freed by the sword's breaking. Am I missing something?

[Illuyankas]

Hood said he's going to have nothing to do with the dead from that point on - it's pretty clear he's retired.

[Venerus]

The obvious solution is that Hood is a warren unto himself; that warren is the realm of death. What, only Toblakai can become warrens? I bet special or powerful Jaghut can too, like Hood.

So when he was slain, Dragnipur just did it's thing and absorbed the thing it killed. If Anomander had whapped an entire warren with Dragnipur, maybe that would have been sucked in too; there were already at least parts of a few in there when we first saw the damned thing.

Boosh.

[mot]

Back to one of the original questions. When Hood said the gods could take care of their own and that those who had no god were out of luck, I immediately thought of Hedge in HoC, who, upon realeasing the Hounds of Dark looked around. I wonder if they had already begun looking for a new place. That the empire has never had a divine patron only makes me wonder more if the Bridgeburners are about to become guardians of the dead in a more literal way than perhaps we (by this I mean me) thought.

[Aptorian]

To be honest I still don't understand that comment by Hood. Logically, the "deathsystem" has not changed or been damaged, the king of high house death is just dead.

A new king will come and untill then, logically, the dead should continue coming through Hoods gate.

Of course there is the possibility that the "rulers of the houses, the kings and queens, have a more direct effect on the houses than we understand. That they in fact are the warren. Perhaps death really ceases to function, at least for the time being, with out its king.

[kalmavet7]

Aptorian;360018 said:

Of course there is the possibility that the "rulers of the houses, the kings and queens, have a more direct effect on the houses than we understand. That they in fact are the warren. Perhaps death really ceases to function, at least for the time being, with out its king.

I was wondering this too and I couldn't help but compare to the situation is Lether. So if death kept on functioning w/o a King, then Gothos ritual makes sense...he stopped that process, right? If however nothing happens to souls in a world w/o death, then would Gothos' ritual be necessary? Perhaps in some other capacity it would have been, but there would be little change in the status of souls. Ie--they didn't do anything anyway, so who cares if they're 'frozen'.

/boggle

[ShadowOwl]

In Bonehunters:
Paran and Hedge and Ganath are at the bridge, made of black stones that has nothing under it, surrounded by grey mists.
Across the bridge is a long forgotten world. Hedge says, “Belong to Hood, hard to say.”

Paran asks Ganath, “This is older than the Holds, isn’t it?” “ And you recognize it, don’t you Ganath?”
Ganath answers “ Yes, in answer to both your questions.” “This place belongs to the Jaghut – to our own myths. This is our vision of the underworld, Master of the Deck. Verdith’anath, the Bridge of Death.”
Ganath then goes on to say “This place lies beneath the ground beneath Hood’s feet. He may well know of this realm, but would not presume to claim dominance over it….or its inhabitants.”
“It is a primal place….as are those forces that call it home. It is a conceit to believe that death has but a single manifestation. As with all things, layer settles upon layer, and in time, the deepest darkest ones become forgotten – yet they have shaped all that lies above.”

So this seems to say there is a lot more to "Death" than Hood's realm.

Then after a few pages, Hedge and Paran are talking privately and Hedge asks Paran to make a card for the unaligned ascended Bridgeburners as payment for what Paran wants Hedge to do. Paran says something interesting that relates to TTH – “I don’t think you and your ghostly army are being directly manipulated.” “A force of nature, as if some long lost law was being reasserted, and you’re the ones who deliver it. Eventually.”
Paran then asks Hedge – “That long road ahead of you. Your march – it’s to war isn’t it? Against whom?” Hedge answers, “More like what-“

Now I don't think any of us could have guessed what that meant, so to me, it proves that whatever SE mentions in passing, it does mean something!

(There is more in RG, but this is long enough, eh?)

[Silencer]

Of course, the King of High House Death isn't dead. He would have been released as with Draconus, no?
So it simply means that the throne is vacant, as has been suggested previously.

And does it even mean that? Has Hood truly abandoned the throne? It could obviously just be a ploy to get Dassem off his back.
This could of course have something to do with Paran's deal with Hood.

Sorry for most likely re-stating everyone's opinions/ideas, I haven't read this thread yet....

[Ayrin]

Regarding the "ploy", no, I don't think so. Many of Hoods statements made it fairly clear that he was sick and tired of being the lord of Death. Even if Hood as a person is still around and about, I don't think he will be the lord of Death anymore.

Obviously, one can just retire from a Throne...

[Dr Trouble]

Silencer;360079 said:

Of course, the King of High House Death isn't dead. He would have been released as with Draconus, no?
So it simply means that the throne is vacant, as has been suggested previously.

And does it even mean that? Has Hood truly abandoned the throne? It could obviously just be a ploy to get Dassem off his back.
This could of course have something to do with Paran's deal with Hood.

Sorry for most likely re-stating everyone's opinions/ideas, I haven't read this thread yet....

Get Dassem off his back? How so?

Him not being the Lord of Death doesn't make him not kill Dassems daughter.

[Traveller]

Dassem obviously thinks she's dead, but is she? She was lying inert on the floor of the Azath at Tremorlor(DG's), like Vorcan/Rallick, and possibly Kalam are in other Azath houses. I've only just wondered why... and whether Dassem knows this? If she isn't dead, will Dassem still be after Hood?