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Crazy Theories after TtH.

#101 User is offline   Gozer 

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 08:13 AM

Back on the Fisher thing. I'm doing a re-read of the series at the mo and am on DG. Just got to the bit when Kulp is trying to get the Silanda out of the flooded warren and he is in the Meanas warren and says:
"With all the grace of poetry. Was it not Fisher Kel Tath himself who said poetry and sorcery were the twin edges to the knife in every man's heart? Where then are my magic cants?
Not sure what relevance this quote has, but seems to me that Fisher has a very good understanding of magic. I know it should be obvious already, but I think this quote helps with the evidence.
My crazy theory his that he is the god of time, forever chronicling events of import. His association with Envy steers me towards believing they are long term friends and the way she speaks to him shows she has great respect for him.
Bottom line is, he ain't mortal, he aint normal and I dont think he is your average Asendant either. An unknown god, maybe even a force like Edgewalker?
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 06:26 PM

Ursus;341785 said:

It wouldnt be revolutionizing to have two gods of the same aspect. We have the redeemer of others in Itkovian and the redeemer of self in Seerdomin. Two personalities and two functions to balance the aspect. It would solve the various issues the faith has.
But heck, anyones guess would be as good.


I took the whole redeemer/Seerdomin storyline to be that the Redeemer needed a gate keeper to those he would redeem and that would in turn be Seerdomin. That way people who do not deserve to be embraced would not be. They would be brother gods (something like the twins) or the Seerdomin would be the gatekeeper to the Redeemer.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 06:40 PM

or the seerdomin is the judge and will place you in the hold of the dying or redeemer hands?
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 07:07 AM

Here's a theory, with a smidgeon of craziness to it:

K'rul doesn't really have any Godlike powers anymore because he sacrificed his own for all the other warrens. Thus, he is only active in dreams.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 05:39 PM

Erm he sacrificed his power to make the imperial warren. he broke himself to save the world which he deemed 'young' and it couldnt have survived this scarring.

He also has more power than dreams as he actually appears in GOTM and also walk round in MOI. Hes still powerful but not the powerhouse he once was. In all fairness we have no idea the power the EG have. Mael is likely the most powerful as he has the most woshippers. They are strong but not as strong as the Jaghut.
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 06:20 PM

problem is how powerful is a dream in wu when a illusion can kill the persons who believe in it why not a dream can be powerful when the dreamer believe in it that is imo the reason why kruppe got his power boost first he was a lone mortal using his dreams for the dragon deck ect ect and when krull gave kruppes dream a fire it began to get more power like a warren
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 06:54 PM

1)The Redeemer is gonna give the CG a big hug and redeem his tortured existence.
2)Sweetest Sufferance's grandfather is Dujek. She claims he was a one-armed swordsman from One-Eyed Cat and a Revenant IIRC. Has it ever been revealed exactly how or when Dujek lost his arm?
3)In the meeting between Hood, ST and Edgewalker--ST bargained to take over the Throne of Death. That was what Edgewalker was mitigating as he promised to think about ST/COT's "lack of allies"
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:48 PM

Bult's horse bit Dujek's arm off in the Wickan wars, just after Dujek ruined Bult's "good looks".
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 09:38 PM

Ammanas;368337 said:

2)Sweetest Sufferance's grandfather is Dujek. She claims he was a one-armed swordsman from One-Eyed Cat and a Revenant IIRC. Has it ever been revealed exactly how or when Dujek lost his arm?


Come on now. Apart from the one-arm thing that's totally ridiculous. Just for starters, Dujek was from Malaz City, not Genebackis.
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 09:55 PM

Dolorous Menhir;368390 said:

Come on now. Apart from the one-arm thing that's totally ridiculous. Just for starters, Dujek was from Malaz City, not Genebackis.



Ha, yeah ok. I'll make a ridiculous theories thread.
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 10:03 PM

Dolorous Menhir;368390 said:

Come on now. Apart from the one-arm thing that's totally ridiculous. Just for starters, Dujek was from Malaz City, not Genebackis.


I don't think it is terribly ridiculous. We know the Malazan invasion was slowed by the arrival of the Andii and Crimson guard, perhaps he was just knocking boots with the lady in One Eye Cat while he was on leave.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 10:19 PM

HoosierDaddy;368412 said:

I don't think it is terribly ridiculous. We know the Malazan invasion was slowed by the arrival of the Andii and Crimson guard, perhaps he was just knocking boots with the lady in One Eye Cat while he was on leave.


And then the child resulting from that had a daughter, oh, right after they were born? And Dujek moonlighted in a different military unit even though he was commanding the Malazan invasion?
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 10:24 PM

Okay, I missed the grandfather part. That theory is suitably crazy.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 11:26 PM

my crazy theory though not fleshed out yet is that as chaur is some powerful ascendant..and will remember himself and his brain continues to fire and fix itself
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Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:08 AM

maybe the tyrant :)
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Posted 11 August 2008 - 08:18 AM

fafner;368323 said:

problem is how powerful is a dream in wu when a illusion can kill the persons who believe in it why not a dream can be powerful when the dreamer believe in it that is imo the reason why kruppe got his power boost first he was a lone mortal using his dreams for the dragon deck ect ect and when krull gave kruppes dream a fire it began to get more power like a warren


Gah! :eek: Punctuation, man!
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Posted 11 August 2008 - 05:28 PM

Raest's pet dead cat is really a spy sent by Tugjobb and Fancytail to infiltrate the Master of the Deck and feed them info/manipulate him. The power of a hacked up furrball is nothing to be frowned at!
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Posted 11 August 2008 - 05:52 PM

Quick Fett;368575 said:

maybe the tyrant :)


I love it.
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 06:18 PM

Erikson will write a spinoff trilogy following the adventures of Tulas Shorn. It will be called "Shorn of the Dead".



Sorry. I had to get that pun off my chest.
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Posted 12 August 2008 - 06:25 PM

Lister of Smeg;369192 said:

Erikson will write a spinoff trilogy following the adventures of Tulas Shorn. It will be called "Shorn off the Dead".


Fixed!
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