[Raraku]

From MOI and HoC we understand that Munug of Darujistan, the guy who made the cards for the House of Chains is the Fool right?
Because Bidithal and the other one (cant remember his name Sligar or something) are the Cripple and Leper or did i get this wrong? Maybe Bidithal is the Fool because Hood says while talking to QB
"'Betrayal,. aye. Poliel, Mistress of Pestilence, aspires to the role of Consort to the King in Chains. A Herald has been… recruited. An ancient warrior seeks to become Reaver; whilst the House has found, in a distant land, its Mortal Sword. Mowri now embraces the Three - Cripple, Leper and Fool - which are in place of Spinner, Mason and Soldier. Most disturbing of all, ancient power trembles around the last of the dread cards… mortal, the Master of the Deck must not remain blind to the threat."

At the end of MoI we see that Munug is still alive and asks Paran to help him recover the Councils that he had left behind and as of HoC, he is the only one left alive. Your thoughts please....

[Khellendros]

Hi,

Munug is the Cripple in Chains, as he can't walk. Silgar was the Leper, and Bidithal was the Mage of High House Chains...though I guess those two positions are open once again, thanks to Karsa. Gethol is the Herald, Kallor the Reaver, Rhulad was the Mortal Sword and King in Chains, but I guess Fool has not been revealed yet - unless the god Mowri is meant to be that.

[Raraku]

Oh ok thanks a lot.
And as of RG Rhulad isnt King in Chains anymore but the rest are right.
Though is Karsa still the Knight ???
I mean just cause he doesnt want to be that doesnt mean he isnt right??

[Khellendros]

Well, I guess people could debate it either way. Karsa outright denied the title of Knight in Chains, but as you say, it doesn't mean he isn't....Gruntle didn't want to be Mortal Sword to Treach, but he is, and Trull didn't have much say in becoming Knight of Shadow either.

[Raraku]

Khellendros;331754 said:

Well, I guess people could debate it either way. Karsa outright denied the title of Knight in Chains, but as you say, it doesn't mean he isn't....Gruntle didn't want to be Mortal Sword to Treach, but he is, and Trull didn't have much say in becoming Knight of Shadow either.

That actually raises a precedent for Clip to be Mortal Sword of someone who is not the leader of a House because Trake is the Hunter in High House War just like Rake is the Knight of Darkness.
Though we agree that Clip is just a big liar, he could actually be in that position

Also are you sure the role of Fool hasn't been revealed yet??

[Khellendros]

True, the only difference being that whilst Treach chose Gruntle, I highly doubt Rake chose Clip to be his Mortal Sword - the way I see it, Mortal Sword, Shield Anvil, and Destriant are all different but related facets of an Ascendant's will, their tools for a certain purpose - but why Anomander Rake would need or want Clip to be his Mortal Sword is beyond me, which makes me assume that Clip gave himself that title without much justification.

[Raraku]

Thats a good point but wasn't it the Cabal of Andii (forgot their name) in Bluerose give him that title.
And Ruin was all like 'seriously this guy is the Mortal Sword of my brother?'
Also seeing as Fool is a Card instead of Soldier, it has something to do with war and since its ancient power, means someone who has been around for really long and decided to join the CG.
But then if the person were powerful enough for Hood to warn QB specifically, then why would he or she settle for such a low position in the House.
Also Mowri is the Lady of Beggars or something and she is the only other Ascendent or God mentioned in the House of Chains(though not part of it). So who is this elusive Fool??

[Oseric]

Khellendros;331727 said:

Hi,

Munug is the Cripple in Chains, as he can't walk. Silgar was the Leper, and Bidithal was the Mage of High House Chains...though I guess those two positions are open once again, thanks to Karsa. Gethol is the Herald, Kallor the Reaver, Rhulad was the Mortal Sword and King in Chains, but I guess Fool has not been revealed yet - unless the god Mowri is meant to be that.

Rhulad wasn't the Mortal Sword was he? I thought he was the King like Raraku said... is this correct?

Knight is Karsa and even though he doesn't want the title he is stuck with it because of the chain of people that follow him after he kills them

[Khellendros]

Oseric;331795 said:

Rhulad wasn't the Mortal Sword was he? I thought he was the King like Raraku said... is this correct?

Knight is Karsa and even though he doesn't want the title he is stuck with it because of the chain of people that follow him after he kills them

Well, to paraphrase, the quote from (I think, MoI) was that the Mortal Sword was 'has been found in a distant land'. Seeing as Karsa is from Genabackis, I can only assume that they're talking about Rhulad. But yes, he is also the King in Chains.

[Aptorian]

A mortal sword of a thousand deaths

[Oseric]

alright well then the King and Mortal Sword has been slain in one stroke

[Khellendros]

Raraku;331717 said:

From MOI and HoC we understand that Munug of Darujistan, the guy who made the cards for the House of Chains is the Fool right?
Because Bidithal and the other one (cant remember his name Sligar or something) are the Cripple and Leper or did i get this wrong? Maybe Bidithal is the Fool because Hood says while talking to QB
"'Betrayal,. aye. Poliel, Mistress of Pestilence, aspires to the role of Consort to the King in Chains. A Herald has been… recruited. An ancient warrior seeks to become Reaver; whilst the House has found, in a distant land, its Mortal Sword. Mowri now embraces the Three - Cripple, Leper and Fool - which are in place of Spinner, Mason and Soldier. Most disturbing of all, ancient power trembles around the last of the dread cards… mortal, the Master of the Deck must not remain blind to the threat."

At the end of MoI we see that Munug is still alive and asks Paran to help him recover the Councils that he had left behind and as of HoC, he is the only one left alive. Your thoughts please....

It is interesting what Hood says, as you say, ancient power around the card of the Fool....hopefully it's answered in Toll the Hounds

[Raraku]

REALLY??
Where is that said?
I saw something similar on another thread but couldn't find the quote for it
I know it means Rhulad but Karsa has killed so many people that it could also mean someone with a thousand deaths trailing him.

[Skywalker]

So with a big of research on the PBWiki we have

House Of Chains

The King in Chains - Rhulad (dead)
The Consort - Poliel (dead)
Reaver - Kallor (at large on Genabackis?)
Knight - Karsa (denied the role, on Genabackis)
The Seven of the Dead Fires - The Unbound (few remain)
Cripple - Munug (at large on Genabackis)
Leper - Silgar (dead)
Fool - Unknown?

In general, looks like we will get significant updates in TtH

[Oseric]

its funny though, a brand new House has more members then a lot of the others, and now they have had half of them die exteremly quickly lol

[Aptorian]

It's almost like there was a war...

[Oseric]

hahaha yes Apt, a horrible war with Ascendents at each others throats

[D'rek]

Khellendros;331807 said:

It is interesting what Hood says, as you say, ancient power around the card of the Fool....hopefully it's answered in Toll the Hounds

Foolish mortals. The "dread power" card is the Knight card -> Karsa. Notice Hood hadn't mentioned him yet in that paragraph. He is the dread power, the Fool is probably not someone of super-significance.

As for the Mortal Sword business, Rhulad was made the Mortal Sword in MT, and remained so until the HoC was fully created in HoC, upon which he became the King in Chains.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

What about Tene Baralta?

[blackzoid]

A said:

Foolish mortals. The "dread power" card is the Knight card -> Karsa. Notice Hood hadn't mentioned him yet in that paragraph. He is the dread power, the Fool is probably not someone of super-significance.

As for the Mortal Sword business, Rhulad was made the Mortal Sword in MT, and remained so until the HoC was fully created in HoC, upon which he became the King in Chains.

I have spotted a contradiction with regards to the sword.
At the end of Reaper's Gale:
Rhulad was King of Chains
Karsa was the Knight of the House of Chains (rejected)
He kills Rhulad and the CG wanted Karsa to pick up the sword.
Did the CG want Karsa to be the new King of Chains or just the Knight?
Does having the sword signify being the King or the Knight?