[Optimus Prime]

paladin;334563 said:

i picked mccain because i believe he understands the problems in the southwest a lot better than obama does and i dont feel obama has nearly enough politcal experience to warrant being president in the current world political climate

SO it sounds like you are picking him based more on a regional view than a world and national view.....

I'm voting for Obama because McCain doesn't sound all that different from George Bush except on Climate Change issues. He wants to open up off shore drilling, he wants to "finish the job" in Iraq and stubbornly refuses to admit the mistakes made before the war and during it. He doesn't seem too interested in the plight of the middle and lower classes...and he's 245 years old.

I am going to be shocked if this election is even close. Obama should DOMINATE but we all know how dirty politics can get...both sides are guilty of this but the evangelical radical Right Wingers will do whatever it takes to demonize Obama. Can McCain control them? I think not.

Unless disaster strikes Obama should be the next President. Honestly, I don't envy the next President because they've got ONE hell of a mess to clean up.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

If Obama wins, I'm not looking forward to the avalanche of conservatives blaming all of the woes of the country on him. It will happen.

[paladin]

Xander;334577 said:

Unless disaster strikes Obama should be the next President. Honestly, I don't envy the next President because they've got ONE hell of a mess to clean up.

which is why i dont want obama in. hes a newbie.

RLY: He supported/co-wrote the amnesty bill that failed in congress. i feel that immigration in america needs reform and our current system doesnt support what the nation was founded on, and amnesty, if done right, is a great start

[Optimus Prime]

So you prefer old and conservative? How are things ever going to get better? I just don't understand how anybody wants someone even "sort of" like Bush at this point. It boggles me. To each their own I guess.

[paladin]

who says obama makes it better?

[Optimus Prime]

I do. What I say matters.

If the republicans could oust the religious fanaticism from their ranks they might be a little more appealing, but still not my choice. Those religious nuts have done damage to the rep. party that will take decades to undo.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I don't know that it will ever be undone. They've completely hijacked the party, and I don't think they'll ever be letting go.

[Optimus Prime]

As a staunch opponent of most things Republican and Conservative, I don't mind that. However...I'm also of the opinion that at times, your enemy not being tainted by a poisonous element helps your own side. Extremity of any sort can be very damaging (Nutty Liberals who want to allow any drug, lock away all weapons, etc is bad too) to a party and country.

McCain hasn't ever shown me greatness in his political career. I feel as if the Republican party is saying, "Look! He was a war hero! You have to vote for him!" and that's their best argument. It's not 1950 anymore and we're not in the middle of the Cold War. I respect McCain's service to our country but that doesn't make him a good President. He's too set in his old, crusty ways.

[Shinrei]

When you say you are a staunch opponent of most things Republican and Conservative, what are you referring to specifically?

[Optimus Prime]

Resistance to Change
Tendency to claim Global Warming/Climate Change is a "myth".
Pro Iraq War
Pro Big Oil
Elements of Religious Fantacism
Anti Stem Cell Research (a large part are against, I realize all aren't)
Anti Abortion
Tax Cuts for the Wealthy (idiotic)
Tendency to focus on Whites more than other ethnic/racial/cultural groups.
Support of Church doctrine in schools

I could go on....

[Terez]

Xander;334614 said:

Pro Big Oil

You could have just said "Pro Big Corporation".

[Optimus Prime]

Terez;334618 said:

You could have just said "Pro Big Corporation".

I stand corrected

I'm not saying all Republican/Conservative views are bad....but their ideology is....mostly distasteful for me.

That and their latest US President may be one of the top 3 worst of all time.

[Terez]

Herbert Hoover, Ulysses S. Grant, Andrew Johnson?

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Hoover got a bum rap. He wasn't a great pres, but he didn't cause the depression.

[Optimus Prime]

Terez;334659 said:

Herbert Hoover, Ulysses S. Grant, Andrew Johnson?

Grant was very, very bad. Hoover gets more blame than he deserves but he was a crook as well.

Bush is definitely up there in the top 3, top 5 worst ever.

It's a shame what happened to Nixon in some ways, because he was great in regards to Foreign Diplomacy.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I think there is a strong argument that Bush is the worst pres ever. In terms of the damage he's done to the country, our reputation, economy, and environment, he looks really bad. Other presidents have done badly as well, but damn. It's like he's trying to look bad sometimes.

[Optimus Prime]

After 9/11, we had a lot of people on our side that hadn't been in a while....and his foreign diplomacy...or lack thereof, ruined that.

I'll never forget one the hilariously low moments. When he's trying to get out of that room in China and it's not the exit. Pure comedy.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

ONe of the best/worst funny/scary moments was when he told a reporter that he was unaware there were two factions known as Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq. This was after we invaded. Sigh.

[Optimus Prime]

There was also his famous grammatical and linguistic inventions.

"Strategery"
"Dignitude"--I still don't know what that is. Dignity and Attitude combined to form some type of superlative status?!?!?!

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

The best is strategery. I love it. I also liked his butchering of the "Fool me once" saying.