[Ain't_It_Just_]

In RG, Taralack Veed has a reminiscence of an ancestor of his, killing these people called the Tasse. When the Gral were about to kill the last one, seven dark hounds surrounded the last tasse child (Deragoth, obviously) but there was someone else there as well. He basically said that the Tasse were not native- like the Tiste weren't native to Burn?

If someone has a quote that'd be great.

[Optimus Prime]

I don't have my copy of RG with me but I remember what you're talking about....

I don't remember the mentioning of them not being "native" though...damn.

[Aptorian]

Ain said:

In RG, Taralack Veed has a reminiscence of an ancestor of his, killing these people called the Tasse. When the Gral were about to kill the last one, seven dark hounds surrounded the last tasse child (Deragoth, obviously) but there was someone else there as well. He basically said that the Tasse were not native- like the Tiste weren't native to Burn?

If someone has a quote that'd be great.

The Tasse, while it was not said outright, were most likely the last surviving Eres'al. Or a failing evolutionary branch of said Eres'al.

I don't remember any mention of the Tasse not being native to wu.

The Eres'al ran with the Deragoth, as we see in HoC. I think your memory is faulty or we're not talking about the same scene.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Aptorian;316514 said:

The Tasse, while it was not said outright, were most likely the last surviving Eres'al. Or a failing evolutionary branch of said Eres'al.

I don't remember any mention of the Tasse not being native to wu.

The Eres'al ran with the Deragoth, as we see in HoC. I think your memory is faulty or we're not talking about the same scene.

Makes sense.

The dude that appeared had blue eyes, black hair- I think. Perhaps he was Dessimbelackis?

[OtataralDragon]

Ch. 15, p. 651 pb.

Seven terrible hounds emerged to surround the child, and a man appeared. His shoulders so broad as to make him seem hunched, he was wearing an ankle-length coat of blued chain, his black hair long and unbound. Cold blue eyes fixed upon Sidilack and he spoke in the language of the First Empire. "They were the last. I do not decry your slaughter. They lived in fear. This land - not their own - could not feed them. Abandoned by the Deragoth and their kind, they had failed in life's struggle." He turned to regard the child. "But this one I will take."


Language of the FE, and a connection to the Deragoth, suggests Dessimbelackis. Abandoned by Deragoth suggests Eres. There's no mention of fur in the description of the Tasse, though - but then who knows for how many generations the legend has been passed down, and how much has been lost or changed.

[tiam]

could be similar to the Nerek genetically?

[Abyss]

For absolutely no good reason, i had wondered if this was a stray tribe of Edur. The description called to mind TB/RG and the 'fallen kin' Rhulad 's father found during the Edur/Letherii champion search.

- Abyss, could therefore say the Edur were Tassered

[Venerus]

Abyss;316668 said:

For absolutely no good reason, i had wondered if this was a stray tribe of Edur. The description called to mind TB/RG and the 'fallen kin' Rhulad 's father found during the Edur/Letherii champion search.

- Abyss, could therefore say the Edur were Tassered

Yeah but... there's no real connection between the Edur and the Deragoth that we know of, right? So being abandoned by the Deragoth seems like a weird thing to throw in there.

[Abyss]

I agree, but note that in Osserc's memory warren, we only saw one tribe of eres/early humans domesticated by the Deragoth, at a time when the KC were still active on 7C.

The thing that stuck with me was that the Tasse were either horribly inbred, or not human - the comment "This land - not their own - could not feed them. Abandoned by the Deragoth and their kind, they had failed in life's struggle"... is ambiguous.

"This land - not their own - could not feed them" could mean a lot of things, including that they came from elsewarren. If they were human(ish), one would think basic food wouldn't be an issue, which suggests something else at work.


And "Abandoned by the Deragoth and their kind"... well, okay, the Deragoth bailed on their pet humanoids, but "their kind" suggests not "our kind", as the only others present were the apparently human mage and the Gral.

The Nerek were relatively successful on Leth before the Letherii messed with them. Why wouldn't any other Eres-derived human type tribe be okay?

A lot can happen in several hundred thousand years, and we know little about what went on on 7C between the Tiste Invasion taking out the KC empire, and when the Imass and later Human First Empires ultimately arise. And for that matter, why did Dessimbewacky want the Gral to wipe out this race in the first place?

Here's the crazy theory'esque stretch - and i'm strecthing, i admit it - We do know Dessimbicky eventually messes with... something. And it's been suggested whatever he did mess with was Shadow related. Maybe he wanted the Tassed wiped out because any race with a connection to Shadow was a threat to whatever he was doing (see Blind's response to the Edur in HoC ).


It's purest speculation, but something odd was going on there.

- Abyss, highlighting our collective lack of knowledge for fun and profit since 200something...

[Imperial Historian]

I thought the whole deal with the Tasse was that they were the descendants of the seven cities ere'sal, the ones originally linked with the deragoth, but over the years there numbers had been decreasing and they'd be driven back by the humans into the most inhospitable lands of seven cities, hence why the ere'sal evolved to live with the deragoth (living on the deragoths waste infact) and in more hospitable climes could not feed themselves on the land they found themselves in a land not their own. after all as pre-humans they would be living a hunter-gatherer type life, with no conception of agriculture and stuff.

So we don't have to call on any far fetched ideas of edur from other warrens and such... if you need a far fetched theory for the tasse, the girl child rescued is the time-travelling eres we've seen so much of so far in the series, her time-travelling ability coming from the fact that she is the last of the first race... or something.

[Aptorian]

Imperial Historian;317519 said:

So we don't have to call on any far fetched ideas of edur from other warrens and such... if you need a far fetched theory for the tasse, the girl child rescued is the time-travelling eres we've seen so much of so far in the series, her time-travelling ability coming from the fact that she is the last of the first race... or something.

Yes, or that the girl was somehow linked to Kettle, that was my brilliant crazytheory. It's out there, but it would be an awesome connection.

[Aptorian]

I can't quite remember my Kettle theory any longer but basically, there was mention of a Eres'all connected to Kettle. Perhaps it was the other part of Kettles heart, opposite of the FA. Of course, Erikson would probably had made more of a hint as to such a connection being there.

[VampireGoat]

Glad im not the only person who suspected the child to be the eres'al. Course my pet theory is the eres hasn't officialy been born yet and is an accendent from the future, as said though I've nothing to back this up just like the sound of it.

As to kettle theory, I dont know what the board favourite is but I got the idea that kettle was originally born from the 'union' between trull and the eres. After said event the Eres did a backflip through time and birthed Kettle in the past.

[Aptorian]

Hetan;317548 said:

Not sure if that is strictly your theory Apt - It's been around a long time

I was reffering to this. I'd never heard anyone draw this connection before.

http://malazanworld....read.php?t=9769

[Abyss]

Hetan;317548 said:

...
Are you mixing up your First Empire history here Abyss?
He made a pact with the Deragoth and disappeared long before the end of the First Empire's demise, and it's the demise of the First Empire that appears to be related to Shadow

Nope. Without going on ad nauseum and ref'ing all the conflicting theories, it's been speculated Dessimbewarthog screwed up the d'ivers ritual and ended up as the Hounds of Shadow. Hence, Dessimbellyache + Shadow.

I'm aware of the other link, between the screwed up Shapeshifter Ritual and the end of the human FE.

But it's all speculation.

- Abyss, speculator.

[OtataralDragon]

VampireGoat;317555 said:

Glad im not the only person who suspected the child to be the eres'al. Course my pet theory is the eres hasn't officialy been born yet and is an accendent from the future, as said though I've nothing to back this up just like the sound of it.

As to kettle theory, I dont know what the board favourite is but I got the idea that kettle was originally born from the 'union' between trull and the eres. After said event the Eres did a backflip through time and birthed Kettle in the past.

Except Bottle senses that the child the Eres'al carries is destined to be the future ruler of Shadow once it's healed - a pure and innocent ruler. Shadow connection from Trull, innocence from the Eres'al. (Chapter 6, BH, p 302 pb.)

[bhok'arala]

ah, let the commonfolk squabble over the theories huh?

those were some great comments abuot dissemback-pains. (pains in the neck too)
yeah...that was lame.

ive looked over this thread and i cant seem to find the answer to the thread, who were the tasse? because, if its a race, its my business. ans theres no hiding my business from me.

[edit] found it, so the tasse are like the neanderthals? man, do i love my analogies...