[Blacksox]

Am I miss something here? We have seen Ryllandaras in DHG and BH right? Except the incarnation in those books has changed from jackals to wolves. The Ryllandaras in this ROTCC has been imprisoned for the last hundred years. One seems to be Soletaken and the other Divers.

Are there two different Ryllandaras, an imposter, or is this a major consistency error?

[FilthyGnome]

Well, it's got to be a different Ryllandaras, because like you said, one is Soletaken and the other D'ivers. Also, they seem to be completely different as one is far more of a beast, and the other one (from DG) has more of a human semblance.

If it is a consistency, it's one big screw-up as Ryllandaras plays a big part throughout half the book.

[Nameless One]

Blacksox;315585 said:

The Ryllandaras in this ROTCC has been imprisoned for the last hundred years. One seems to be Soletaken and the other Divers.

From MOI:

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We fled, a handful of survivors. Ryllandaras, old friend -- we fell out, clashed, then clashed again on another continent. He had gone the farthest, found a way to control the gifts -- Soletaken and D'ivers both. White Jackal. Ay'tog. Agkor. And my other companion, Messremb -- where has he gone? A kind soul, twisted by madness, yet so loyal, ever loyal . . .

[Deragoth]

I havent read the reference, but from what I have read in this thread and in the previous books, its possible that one of the Divers entities was seperated and became its own entity.

[FilthyGnome]

Deragoth;315778 said:

I havent read the reference, but from what I have read in this thread and in the previous books, its possible that one of the Divers entities was seperated and became its own entity.

Would it even be possible for one copy, to become many other copies?
I'm quite sure we haven't seen the end of D'ivers/Soletaken, but i think in terms of D'ivers, the Human D'ivers is as far as it can be taken.

[waylander001]

Great post Nameless one! I was re-reading MOI and that quote answered all the questions I had been grinding over in my head - "Ho" also answered part of it for me during RoTCG but your quote saved me a lot of bother - Kudos to the Nameless One!!!!

[Zanth13]

yeah from what I understood, ryl was a Soletaken/Dver and one of his forms... which apperehenlty went nuts was imprisoned in Heng by Kellevend.

the fact that he recieved worship probably only made him stronger and meaner...

Since the man jackall has probably been alive for a few hundred thousand years its not to far fetched to see how one of his forms could get seperated and eventually evolve/change into what was at heng...

[frank]

But this Ryll is a brother to Trake, a first hero. How does that fit? And as far as I understood, both? Ryllandaras are D'ivers

[Aptorian]

Ryllandaras became a D'ivers. At some point, somthing happened, a schism or something, and a part of Ryllandaras became the monster on Quon Tali. Like Ho (was that his name?) it would seem that this part of Ryllandaras became a sepperate entity, a gigantic wolf grendel of a sorts, but that has no reflection on the ryllandaras we met on 7C or the ancient Ryllandaras that was a first hero.

[Abyss]

 Nameless One, on May 25 2008, 02:03 PM, said:

Blacksox;315585 said:

The Ryllandaras in this ROTCC has been imprisoned for the last hundred years. One seems to be Soletaken and the other Divers.

From MOI:

Quote

We fled, a handful of survivors. Ryllandaras, old friend -- we fell out, clashed, then clashed again on another continent. He had gone the farthest, found a way to control the gifts -- Soletaken and D'ivers both. White Jackal. Ay'tog. Agkor. And my other companion, Messremb -- where has he gone? A kind soul, twisted by madness, yet so loyal, ever loyal . . .

And this is exactly the point - Ry found a way to spin all his madness into one jackal body, which became its own self-contained soletaken unlike any we've seen elsewhere (no soletaken we've ever seen had a half-man, half beast shape, except Korbal in MoI and then only because QB zapped him mid-sembling) and then the rest of Ry's d'ivers bodies went off as a unit. It was the soletaken body that ended up bound under the city while the jackal d'ivers went off to hang on 7C and eventually become wolves.

That last bit is interesting because a few times in RCG wolves and jackals are mentioned as rival scavengers.

Other elements come into play: Ry in soletaken manjackal form was worshipped by the Seti, and we know worship can be a form of power-up.

Also, the point is raised in RCG that Trake ascending to godhood could have some effect on other surviving First Heroes (first empire soletaken). we don't know whether Ry was a shapeshifter before the failed shapeshifter ritual that nuked the human FE, but whatever the case, he is of the same pedigree as Trake and has clearly had his own worshippers for a while. Arguably, he was on the path to godhood before he ate most of his worshippers and was then taken down by the Old Guard and co.

- Abyss, medium rare.

This post has been edited by Abyss: 16 December 2008 - 04:29 PM

[muco]

Is this the part of the same Ryllandaras we see in HOC?

He was not much in HOC, afraid of Karsa before he got his special sword!! How come a part of it that was trapped became such badass? I mean look at the people it took to even contain it...Urko, Rell etc.

It can't be the same....

[Sinisdar Toste]

the ryllandaras we see in 7C is not the rylandaras from quon. the man jackal was still trapped when mappo and icarium and then karsa met the d'ivers rylandaras but the man jackal is rylandaras

[Silencer]

They are potentially still the same Ryllandaras. Just different parts of him. Remember, "Ryllandaras alone had mastered both soletaken and d'ivers".

[Messremb]

 Silencer, on Dec 25 2008, 09:01 AM, said:

They are potentially still the same Ryllandaras. Just different parts of him. Remember, "Ryllandaras alone had mastered both soletaken and d'ivers".

I took that to mean that as D'ivers he could semble into many of whichever animal he's changing to, then those could if they were so inclined and independently of the others semble back to his original form (or a version of it) as soletaken. One part then wandered off/got left behind and became the one eventually imprisoned in Heng.

I'm not particularly concerned about Ryllandaras using different forms - as the quote above says "White Jackal. Ay'tog. Agkor." There's also a comment about him having stolen powerful lives in one of the earlier books - I haven't yet decided if the form they semble to is a reflection of how powerfull they are or an affinity to a type of creature but if it is based on power then he could have gathered enough to change forms. A single part of him delivering slaughter on a whole part of a continent no doubt becomes more powefull than many devouring a few in a desert elsewhere. Can you imagine the devestation maybe 8 like the one under Heng could cause?