[vroz]

Bah Itkovian this Itkovian that...I mean dont get me wrong he was a great character and by all means memorable but what about Coltaine? What he did was equally heroic..same thing could be said about truth when he sacrificed himself. All very sad moments.

[BeLeG]

As I said it's Itkovian's fate after death that makes it so much harder than Coltaine's death
Anyway I really hope he will come back to do what all the other Gods,heros,Ascendants,geniuses can't do
He will embrace Cripple God's pain
That's why the CG fears him the most!!!!

[caladanbrood]

BeLeG;333998 said:

As I said it's Itkovian's fate after death that makes it so much harder than Coltaine's death
Anyway I really hope he will come back to do what all the other Gods,heros,Ascendants,geniuses can't do
He will embrace Cripple God's pain
That's why the CG fears him the most!!!!

I really hope he doesn't come back, but I suspect that something like that could happen at the end of the series... with a certain other Shield Anvil that I won't spoilerise.

[Illuyankas]

I will, however:

Spoiler

It's Batman.

Although, I wonder if a bunch of Shield Anvils can work together. Just throw enough of them at the CG and he'll stop whining, get a haircut and start listening to decent music.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 22 October 2008 - 06:00 AM

[paladin]

you need a hammer too. the cg will stand next to the shield anvil and brood will smash him against the shield anvil with his hammer. classic military manoeuver

[Topper]

A little piece inside of me died with Itkovian.

[Excellence]

Erikson has some really strange names. Shield Anvil?

He's the shield that grief pounds against?

[Jude]

I'm way too much of a man to cry to anything but Old Yeller and Homeward Bound (when Shadow's all in the mud and trying to get back out of the pit thing... Destroys me every time.) but I will say that there were three instances where I had to put the book down and just breath deep. Itkovian, sadly, was not one of those times. I think I'm a bit of an asshole in that I was way more pissed off at him for wrecking the only defense against the K'ell. I will admit that I need a re read there is probably necessary. My friend just finished MoI recently and when I asked him what the most tragic thing was and he told me "Itkovian" I was all "...yeaahh I know righ--wait WHAT?!" but when he explained it to me I totally understood. Just wish I had caught it when I read it.

Anyway! Just so you guys can read my opinions about THINGS, the three points I put the book down at were as follows! Brukhalian's death, just for the horror that was the siege of Capustan; it kind of symbolized that whole section, which is still the most terrifying thing I have ever read. WJ's death: it was Jack. And finally, Hedge's sacrifice with the KCCM, just because that's when I knew in my heart of hearts that the BB were all going down. Plus! Coral was just a really intense scene, am I right?

[l2rdo]

"And beneath the Moon's torrential rain, he died."

Probably the most powerful single sentence I have ever read in a fantays book.

[Scarecrow]

To me one of the saddest things in the book is not a death, but the Tiste Andii. Korlat's thoughts about them, the way they would just give up in a fight and let themselves be killed, because they felt they didn't have a purpose. And then the saddest part is Korlat realising that Rake does most of what he does just to try and give them a purpose

[Abyss]

I was always sort of bummed that Itko's last words weren't "Stick a fork in me, for I am now done."


Speaking of deaths in this book and silliness aside, i did think his death was rough. The entire sequence, after everything he had been thru to that point at Capustan and after, to the whole Imass thing, was just a 'oh you poor bastard' thing.

Brukhalian, oddly enuf, doesn't have that much screen time. He had that one uber-cool scene with Gethol and the Bonecasters and otherwise he's really just present at events that involve others. Until his death, which was amazing. It's a nice touch that SE can build a character so significantly without actually spending much time on them.

WJ's death was shocking, in that sort of 'ok, i knew that was possible, maybe even likely, but i really didn't think the author would go there' way.

In an odd way, the death of the two sister marines covering Silverfox was just as awful, because while WJ was a player and had a place alongside, say Dassem, Rake, etc, even tho he was only a 'mere human', those two were more or less comic relief, and then when they stepped up v Kallor it was stun-ning.

I also thought the scene in the Seer's Keep where Envy just stands there with Picker while most of the surviving BBs are wiped out was painful. In a good way. But painful.


Toc's death in the keep wasn't as significant as what it led to - the whole thing with Togg breaking free was awesome - , but it was still interesting that in the face of two of the best warriors in the world dueling before him, he took the opportunity to suicide.

- Abyss, was dead but got better.

[wareonia]

i agree Toc the youngers death doesn't seem to get a mention but for sheer physical courage he has to get some credit. What he went through in the matrons embrace then throwing himself on a piece of wood to set togg free. Bravo i say, bravo.

[Geoffray]

For me, SE is an epic writer... My god, but the ending of DhG, is one of the saddiest thing i've ever read so far.
Until the ending of MOI :Surprise: .
Gosh but, i've been crying during all the ending:
- The death of WJ (i've stay 10 minutes gaping like a fool! Tears in my eyes)
- The butchering(?) of the BB in Capustan!
- The death of Itkovian (poor guy )
- The burial of the BB in the moon spaw. When QB says there name, I have cry like a child . But what a incredible scene...

[MTS]

Yeah, this had the single greatest ending of probably any book I've read. It just contained so much awesome and so much sadness.

[Fisher]

Itkovian is the best paladin ever.

That Erikson sure knows how to kill a guy.

He should do it more often.

[Kryphon]

I must be a heartless bastard. Iktovian was... Sad. I guess. I was actually thinking it was more heroic. WhiskeyJack I saw coming. His leg wasn't going to hold out forever. It was also the first time I realized NOBODY is safe in SE's books. Toc was a relief. He'd endured way too much and he deserved a peaceful death.

If I ever cry while reading a book someone please beat me with a big blunt object until I stop moving.

[caladanbrood]

Fisher, on May 9 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

Itkovian is the best paladin ever.

That Erikson sure knows how to kill a guy.

He should do it more often.

I think it's safe to say that he's not scared of doing what's needed. Coltaine in particular, was the perfect ending to the Chain of Dogs.

Itkovian has to be my favourite single-book character ever. He starts off so practical and kick-ass, and evolves into this deep, heart-breakingly generous warrior. Perfect.

[Seras]

personally i think the death of whiskeyjack had to be the most "OMG WOW!" moment for me - it was just so unexpected

[Elephant Tamer]

I think the deaths in DHG are far more sad. Unlike MOI, most of them weren't about fullfiling a goal or dying for beliefs. They were surprising, painful, and sometimes avoidable, which makes them all the more sad. The Fellisin/Heboric/Baudin saga was pretty bad, an had absolutely no redeeming factor. As soon as he kills Baudin, it turns out he was a better character than we thought he was. As for the chain of dogs, well, it broke Duiker.

[Seras]

Elephant Tamer, on Jun 2 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

I think the deaths in DHG are far more sad. Unlike MOI, most of them weren't about fullfiling a goal or dying for beliefs. They were surprising, painful, and sometimes avoidable, which makes them all the more sad. The Fellisin/Heboric/Baudin saga was pretty bad, an had absolutely no redeeming factor. As soon as he kills Baudin, it turns out he was a better character than we thought he was. As for the chain of dogs, well, it broke Duiker.

i personally didn't find DHG to be a sad book save for a few scenes - Coltaine's death and what happened to Duiker (or was that in HoC? :S)
the Grey Swords defence of Caputsan really stuck in my mind as well in terms of sadness/ectr