[kage]

when ST draged Kalam's dying body into the Deadhouse, did he expect like the Azath to save him, and if they don't, does he ascend like the rest of the Bridgeburners?

and on that note, if Apsalar or Paran dies, do they ascend as well, since they were technically Bridgeburners, if only for a short time?:confused:

[Warqueen]

kage;291517 said:

when ST draged Kalam's dying body into the Deadhouse, did he expect like the Azath to save him, and if they don't, does he ascend like the rest of the Bridgeburners?

and on that note, if Apsalar or Paran dies, do they ascend as well, since they were technically Bridgeburners, if only for a short time?:confused:

Paran and Apsalar are already there...ST put Kalam in the Azath just to keep him alive...Paran can go from house to house so I think the idea was that maybe he would find Kalam and help him..or maybe not:heyhey:

[The Dark Wanderer]

ok, I may just be forgetting something very obvious, but has it been confirmed that Paran is actually ascended? I know that he holds the position of Master of the Deck, but as SE stated in an interview, being part of the deck doesn't mean ascension so does controlling it? I also know that he's immensly powerful, but see QB who is almost certainly not. Maybe just maybe he's not ascended which would make sense really as the Deck made him for a purpose so maybe it'll get rid of him once that purpose is served? Remember that the Errant got most of his power through his worshippers so maybe Paran can only become a god at this point? Or am I just wandering into the maze of what ascension is?

[chthonian]

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Holy child of Soleil to Noto Boil re: Ganoes Paran; p540 of tBH

"In that man the world hangs in balance, and I shall not be forever known as the one responsible for altering that condition. In any way whatsoever."

Maybe Soleil knows something we all do know, but a lot hinges on Paran, although I do not believe him ascendant. Soleil puts this quite clearly when she refers to him as a mere man, and while ascendants can be men, here it is more a reference to how mortal he is. He isn't invincible, but he does have power, and he is on the cusp of ascendancy I believe. Just not quite there.

The only thing that makes him more than human is that he has the blood of one of the hounds running through his veins (I forget which one). This helps the ascendant argument but its not a winning point imo. It just makes him dangerous and unpredictable.


On the note of Kalam and ascendancy though, my personal belief is that the Azath is gathering an army of sorts. Its one of those entities that won't reveal its hand til the last moment I think. I hope to find out more of its plans with the assassins its gathered, not to mention the soletaken, Moby, in TtH. Rallick Nom and Vorcan, plus Kalam, and a bad-ass, soletaken demon is a recipe for destruction. It also potentially has a Forkrul-Assail in its armada too, although I'm not certain as I'm re-reading the series and have forgotten details at the end of Reapers Gale.

Anyways, my thoughts on those two subjects.

[Mentalist]

grrr.. not this again
Paran is an Ascendant. Apsalar in tBH straight comes out and says so. it is later confrmed by Ganath and, if I'm not mistaken, Poliel.
re: Kalam. If Gothos is still around, he can insta-heal Kalam with the magic water that Fiddler drank in DG... I'm expecting to see more of him in RotCG....

[chthonian]

reread, couldn't remember, don't think i'm there yet, etc. don't get your panties in a twist.

i also don't remember fid drinking magic water and i've read DG 3 times, no matter though, its not very integral imo. even so though, shadowthrone can heal people, such as he did to panek and the rest of the orphan army of HHS, although he did do this in the shadow warren, and his powers are probably amplified there to some degree. granted kalam does take a butt-load of damage but healing 1,300 kids from near death is alot of healing too, so who knows.

[Mentalist]

lol I wasn't THAT serious... just we had a ridiculously long thread with Apt arguing against half the forum on th matter...

Fid drinks the magic water in DG after they get into the Deadhouse from Tremorlor...

[D'rek]

chthonian;291676 said:

It also potentially has a Forkrul-Assail in its armada too, although I'm not certain as I'm re-reading the series and have forgotten details at the end of Reapers Gale.

If you're thinking of the FA in the azath in DG, it was nothing but a pile of ashes, so i wouldn't expect it to be much use...

[Ain't_It_Just_]

kage;291517 said:

when ST draged Kalam's dying body into the Deadhouse, did he expect like the Azath to save him, and if they don't, does he ascend like the rest of the Bridgeburners?

and on that note, if Apsalar or Paran dies, do they ascend as well, since they were technically Bridgeburners, if only for a short time?:confused:

Now THAT is a very good question. Kalam's not dead, but still, I bet you can't be part of a company that's ascended AND be trapped in an arcane Azath House without something happening to you.

Who knows, HE might be Cotillion's shaved knuckle (not that he'll ever need it... probably). You know, someone's trying to kill him and he throws down a peanut or something. BANG, cloud of smoke, and Ascendant Kalam is there, with the power of a bajillion Ropes.

[Seventh]

I loved this book, but what does SE have against assassins? Kalam was by far my favorite character, and so far he's written off Rallic, Kalam, Pearl, and most likely Apsalar.

I almost flung the book across the room when Kal got Azath'd, because that's basically SE's method of dealing with characters he's sick of writing about it seems. ;(

[Aptorian]

Seventh;298656 said:

I loved this book, but what does SE have against assassins? Kalam was by far my favorite character, and so far he's written off Rallic, Kalam, Pearl, and most likely Apsalar.

I almost flung the book across the room when Kal got Azath'd, because that's basically SE's method of dealing with characters he's sick of writing about it seems. ;(

Being an assassin means you get in a few more scrapes than a potato farmer would. Getting wacked is a work hazard the have to live with.

I don't understand your view. What to you mean that Apsalar is written out? She was very much alive and doing well the last we saw. Nom and Kalam are in an Azath and if you haven't figured it out yet, this is most likely a part of some plan that will be revealed later. The onlyt one who's out is Pearl, and he was a bastard.

Why would Erikson be tired of writting about Nom after one book?

[Seventh]

Aptorian;298660 said:

Being an assassin means you get in a few more scrapes than a potato farmer would. Getting wacked is a work hazard the have to live with.

I don't understand your view. What to you mean that Apsalar is written out? She was very much alive and doing well the last we saw. Nom and Kalam are in an Azath and if you haven't figured it out yet, this is most likely a part of some plan that will be revealed later. The onlyt one who's out is Pearl, and he was a bastard.

Why would Erikson be tired of writting about Nom after one book?

Nobody's "figured anything out", it's all speculation. I loved Rallic in book one, and I've now read 5 books without him in it because he's in the Azath. Now Kalam, my favorite character, is in there as well and he's not in RG. Apsalar "walks away from it all" at the end.

If he's not tired of writing about him, I'm tired of not reading about him.

[bhok'arala]

it may not be a question of tireing of writing but one of SE's inability to write him into the curent storylines while keeping the illsuion that the stories are actually believable in an incredulous way. Besides, kalam is a bridgeburner so he's got to come back at least to die.

[Mentalist]

sigh...
Rallick is in Darujhistan. Last time we've actually seen darujhistan proper (excluding the flashback in TbH) is in the MoI epilogue

Apsalar will most likely be back in TtH--it was pretty obvious that she's gonna go searching for Cutter/Crokus.

Kalam is in the Deadhouse, he aint dead, and I expect him to show up in RotCG, which will follow up with on the events in Quon Tali (where he's at) after the 14th leaves.
Kalam couldn't be in RG, he wouldn't fit there, there wasn't much assassin work in the events of RG. RotCG, on the other hand, with all the politicking and backstabbing it's supposed to be is a perfect place for him--esp. if we get some more Taon involvement. Since I'm also sure that Topper will surface in RotCG as well.

[Seventh]

kud13;298779 said:

sigh...

There's nothing to "sigh" at, champ. Reading is subective, and I have a different take on it than you do. Lighten up.

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Kalam is in the Deadhouse, he aint dead, and I expect him to show up in RotCG, which will follow up with on the events in Quon Tali (where he's at) after the 14th leaves.
Kalam couldn't be in RG, he wouldn't fit there, there wasn't much assassin work in the events of RG. RotCG, on the other hand, with all the politicking and backstabbing it's supposed to be is a perfect place for him--esp. if we get some more Taon involvement. Since I'm also sure that Topper will surface in RotCG as well.

Good points otherwise.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

[QUOTE=Aptorian;298660]The onlyt one who's out is Pearl, and he was a bastard.
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Agreed. It was his stupid ambition that led to his death.
Hmm, didn't consider the possibility of Kal being in RotCG.

[Mentalist]

Pearl's death was (imho) tragic. Very SE style.
He went after Tavore, b/c she sent Lostara into Y'Ghatan, and he thought lostara died there. While Lostara was, in fact, in the same building (mock's Hold) as him.

@ Seventh: the sigh was b/c this topic was brough up several times already, makes me feel old responding to it again, lol. Nothing personal,

[bhok'arala]

Ah but reading is subjective therefore it may have not been tragic to all. may it was one giant ironic coincidence.

[Optimus Prime]

@Kud---Gotta lighten up on the noobs. I didn't search through the forums back when I started before I posted a thread, and I doubt most of the rest of us did either

Good points though.

Being an assassin is a "hazardous" occupation, wouldn't you say Seventh? The life expectancy of a assassin isn't very long...so them getting "offed" or "Azath'ed" isn't all that surprising.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Yeah.... but Kal lasted this long. Besides, he said he was gonna give it up in BH.