[Sukul Ankhadu]

Id vote Barghast or Denul.
showering then bed

[Liosan]

I think we have to be careful what we do today, because if there are 3 killers, tomorrow is D-Day. On the one hand, we can lynch an unknown quantity and see where that takes us, into a possible D-Day with some serious WIFOM on the table, or lynch GL and get rid of the WIFOM, with the possible caveat that GL may be innocent. Either way, we risk lynching a townie, the only difference is that one of them will leave WIFOM on the table, the other one won't. What we can't do is no-lynch again. The problem is scum is in a good position here, unless GL is scum. If GL is town, then we know that he was kept alive for WIFOM, and then we can look at those who wanted to keep GL alive (IE Ampelas and Barghast and Nimander) or if he's scum, I think we'd look more at those who stayed out of it or only gave token opinions on the subject, because scum wouldn't want to be associated with their partner should he die. So honestly, at this point I'm very willing to vote GL, less so for that fact that I pushed his case for most of this game, than for the fact that no matter how he flips should he be lynched, it gives us a direction to look.

[Denul]

Here are all of Amps end of day yesterday posts.


States that he doesn't think that the case on GL is anything to vote on.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:26 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Like I said, I'll vote GL if it's necessary for the lynch, but I'd just as soon not vote for him. The case against him is a load of shit, as far as I am concerned. You're all just latching on to the easy lynch for no good reason.

Strongly agree that the GL case is BS, I don't see it at all.

Even when GL says that perhaps his own removal would lead to less WIFOM amp talks him out of it. Why when GL is correct.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 20 June 2014 - 03:26 PM, said:

As I said, I'm around to switch if needed, regardless of Denuls thoughts on the matter - I'd rather a lynch on me went through than we had another no lynch. Again. Because that just fucks us up.

It buys us a delayed D-day. We need you to not throw in the towel here.

More of the same. A lot of trying to talk GL and whom ever else is on the thread into not voting for GL.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 20 June 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

You hammering yourself is no good for town, if you are town, if you are town then you should aim to stay alive.

It takes me out of the equation. No lynch today just makes tomorrow D1 pt. 3 with two NKs having taken place.

Or Day 2 with 2 dead town, after all, how often do Day 1 lycnhes actually hit scum?

Just keep it together and ride it out.

Says that Kaschan is a better target but doesn't say why. Also starts to try to eliminate possible GL wifom before a lynch. Meaning that he knows that not lynching GL will lead to WIFOM and he wants to keep GL alive.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have to go for lunch, my stomach is growling like a crazed animal! Should I just hammer GL then?

Let them get over their insecurity about not having perfect knowledge, the only WIFOM surrounding GL as far as I'm concerned is "Is he scum playing REALLY well at being town? Or just good town?"

As far as I am concerned here, kaschan is a better target.

[Denul]

A lot of defending GL and trying to talk people into voting for Kaschan. For one member of town to do that for another member is really suspicious.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:42 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have to go for lunch, my stomach is growling like a crazed animal! Should I just hammer GL then?

Let them get over their insecurity about not having perfect knowledge, the only WIFOM surrounding GL as far as I'm concerned is "Is he scum playing REALLY well at being town? Or just good town?"

As far as I am concerned here, kaschan is a better target.

Yeah but leaving him alive just means Day 3 goes back to Day 1's failed lynch of GL again. We'll spend the day doing stupid WIFOM and arguing over a case that makes absolutely no sense, then we'll have another stalled lynch at the end of the Day.

You are getting rid of someone to placate the people who are gunning for him for a reason neither of us can even SEE?

If you where a member of town and concerned about not getting a lynch for a second day in a row you would have been willing to vote for GL in stead he is relieved that HD voted for Kash and pushed Kash out infront of GL. That isn't the reaction that a member of town who is concerned with getting a lynch should have.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Hood, on 20 June 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Since you all have talked GL out of self-voting. We need the fucking lynch.

Remove Vote


Vote Kaschan

Thank christ for that, talk about down to the wire

Now here is an interesting little dialog between Amp,GL, and Barghast. To me this looks like players congratulating each other on avoiding a lynch. Sure Barghast is saying that he had a post ready to hammer and GL is saying that he would self hammer but there is no evidence of any of that other then what they are saying. Which is what scum would say in that position. Then Amp chimes in with let just forget about the WIFOM tomorrow guys and look for scum. Well how exactly are you suppose to find scum if you ignore the only MAJOR EVENT to date in the game. That is seriously suspicious.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Shit. I see Nimander's point about GL and Wifom.

Yes, hence me willing to self-hammer

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

I had a remove vote posting readied and was about to vote you GL.

f5 and HP saved me from having to do it.

Ok lets just make sure we spend day 3 actually looking for scum and not allowing the idiots to stay focused on the WIFOM

Here Amp says that he will take a look at the GL train. Yeah that never materialized. That is the kind of post that I have seen from several players when they where scum.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Shit. I see Nimander's point about GL and Wifom.

Yes, hence me willing to self-hammer

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

I had a remove vote posting readied and was about to vote you GL.

f5 and HP saved me from having to do it.

Ok lets just make sure we spend day 3 actually looking for scum and not allowing the idiots to stay focused on the WIFOM

I think a good place to look will be Denul. GL can do his and you can do yours and see what we come up with.

Since we have some time over the weekend I will be taking a look at who was on the GL train, why and when.

I have to say that if I wasn't sure that removing GL from the equation was the best move for town. I would be voting for amp based on the end of the previous day. That is some crazy suspicious behavior.

[Denul]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 23 June 2014 - 09:17 PM, said:

Id vote Barghast or Denul.
showering then bed

Thanks for you imput you have been a boon to town.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Read my earlier posts.

and your last stretch was unbelievable reaching, why would players be stupid enough to grats each other on thread at dodging a lynch? You make your case less credible with nonsense like that

[Shinrei]

It is Day 3, 27 hours are left in the Day.

9 players are alive.

Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Denul: Barghast
1 vote Barghast: Eloth
2 votes Galayn Lord: Denul, Ampelas

Players not voting: Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

[Hood's Path]

Shinrei, on 23 June 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

It is Day 3, 27 hours are left in the Day.

9 players are alive.

Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Denul: Barghast
1 vote Barghast: Eloth
2 votes Galayn Lord: Denul, Ampelas

Players not voting: Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Over 22 hours left, so plenty of time.

Eloth, I'm fucked if I can see the case against Barghast. It comes down not to deflecting/resisting the GL lynch, but to the way he did it?

[Barghast]

From last game we ended up lynching the wifom on the last day and losing the game, and the wiifom ended up town, so Denul is proposing we lynch him today to get rid of that doubt. WCS scenario there are 3 scum, and regardless whether or not GL is one of them, there are two other scum players. By focusing on GL we approach D day at a greater pace without putting pressure on other players.

Day one and two Denul was not as "productive" as this day, yes he makes good points but I think that is because he has received a little pressure to do so. I fear that his influence will grow as the game progresses. Last game a player missed the first few lynches by missing the end of day and ended up scum. We need to learn from this and not let players drift through to the end of the game.

[Eloth]

Hood, on 24 June 2014 - 03:26 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 23 June 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

It is Day 3, 27 hours are left in the Day.

9 players are alive.

Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Denul: Barghast
1 vote Barghast: Eloth
2 votes Galayn Lord: Denul, Ampelas

Players not voting: Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Over 22 hours left, so plenty of time.

Eloth, I'm fucked if I can see the case against Barghast. It comes down not to deflecting/resisting the GL lynch, but to the way he did it?

Partly. There's a whole lot of elements here, partly coming from the interaction.
This is going to be long.

Let's summarize.
GL and Kaschan are tied for votes with time running out.
GL offers to self-vote. Barghast says he shouldn't give up if he's town.
Barghast then says he believes GL.
Kaschan is lynched.
Barghast states that in his view, GL is town and we should look elsewhere today.

Summarize a bit more: he basically insists that GL is town and ought not to be revisited. It sounds like he CI'd the guy in a game with no way to CI people.

Now, in my reasoning, I take issue with the CI-ing. I name three potential scenario's. Denul quotes them above, but let's repeat them since it's clear not everyone fully sees what I try to say. The scenario's are:

Scenario 1.
GL is scum and offers to self-sacrifice. Barghast is not the only one to refute this, Ampelas also doesn't think so due to the wording, but Ampelas explicitly keeps the option open that GL might be scum. I remain doubtful. Barghast though is the only one to completely blithely refuse this option.
How can he be so sure, when scum will always try to sound like town, and it is a logical play to garner some sympathy when time runs down and there is an alternative (Kaschan)? If Barghast is town, does he not see the option that GL might have him fooled through sounding sincere? He doesn't. Because he wants a different direction.


Scenario 2
GL is inno and Barghast is scum. The tactical benefit of defending someone who is inno, is to earn someone's thanks and perhaps also come out shining ("told you guys he was inno"). Barghast prides himself several times on being able to spot that Kaschan was a new-ish player, even says somewhere he expected him to be town, iirc (but I might not, so disregard this or search for it). So he prefers keeping GL alive over keeping Kaschan alive, even though he knew some stuff about Kaschan already. Now he more or less CI'd GL.
In a game with killers only, the only person capable of knowing who's CI, is scum. Because it's anyone who's not a killer. For day two/three, that amount of certainty just has a funny smell to it. It is either day 2 syndrome (but if it was day 2 syndrome, he'd have an idea of who's scum, too, which eh doesn't) or scummy.

Scenario 3.
GL is scum and so is Barghast, with Barghast backing up GL and trying to save him from being lynched. In this case, the GL self-vote promise and Barghast then saying "that sounds like town to me" plus the insistence to not look at GL today make a perverse amount of sense.

An interesting side to this scenario is the following.
Barghast doesn't look into option 1 because he believes GL.
Barghast doesn't adress option 2 at all, probably because we should accept he's town.
Barghast does adress option 3 but his defense is extremely limited.

Firstly, he doesn't even say it's wifom. Instead, he says it would be a bad scum play because you leave a connection between the two of you. To which the logical reply is: only if either you or GL are lynched.
And this is a game with probably 3 scum. So one partner would still be hidden.

By insisting on a different direction (and possibly getting your way) this link would be obfuscated for at the very least another day - which would then be d-day.

Part 2 of why I feel Barghast is a better vote than GL, is that Barghast's defense is not only extremely vague (bad scum play, scum would never do that, and other things to that tune - if town doesn't pursue something consequently, then scum will do exactly that because they get away unpunished) but also panicky.

I say panicky because of the following.

A. Content of defense
His early arguments, when my post is fresh, focus on only a third of the possibilities in the "case", which is surprising.
Is this because this element is true, and it is the only way to preserve the facade? After all, if scenario 3 is true, neither he nor GL can be lynched, in his mind.

B. Further arguments later in the thread consist of the ever so sophisticated 'retarded' stamp in colour after every X comments. He still doesn't revisit option 1 or 2 of the case, though. He still doesn't admit he could be fooled by GL, either. If he desperately wants to avoid being lynched, that might be because revealing doubt now would put pressure on both him and GL? And after his statements earlier today and late day 2, he can hardly throw GL under the bus now, even if GL is town: it would be ruthless self-preservation, which is scummy.

C. Contradictory statement with his own theory on 'bad scum play'
He calls scum on two out of the three people who first pos something accusatory against him (Liosan, Denul, myself), seeing two partners working together there.
First, what happened to his conviction that scum wouldn't want to establish a link like that?
Second, if a completely unfounded OMGUS case on three players who's only thing in common is pressuring Barghast is the best effort he can make towards finding scum, what does that say about Barghast?

One, it means he doesn't have a clue who's scum if a spur of the moment idea is the best he has, or is enough to detract him from whatever idea he had.
Two, if he doesn't have a clue who's scummy, which is town's first responsibility, then how come he can so confidently assess that GL is town? This is reinforced by the fact that he also states that Kaschan wasn't a good option. To me, it sounds like a killer trying to blend in by defending people, but not coming up with ideas on who is scummy, and why, because that means sticking out your neck.

D. Barghast tries to put other player's efforts into comparison with his own, as if 'more present' means 'more right' or 'having more right to be believed'. I guess it's a pitfall for highly present players, but it's also blatantly untrue and furthermore, it is not a defense related to ANYTHING on thread. He doesn't seem very capable of accepting that he's making a huge gamble with the GL situation, either.

TL;DNR: too much certainty for day 2/3, an attitude that focuses less on finding scum and more on being the knight in white armor saving people, panicky OMGUS finger pointing, a minimalist defense coupled with the retard brand and a refusal to revisit a previous stance and situation.

[Galayn Lord]

Okay my head isn't much clearer after a bad nights sleep.

What gets me from a quick re-read?

Barghast.

His .gifs to be more precise.

Yes, they're a little annoying. What strikes me is that last game Khell was trying to be a little annoying so he'd be seen as not being a scum candidate because it was going to potentially draw attention to himself. Now he was town and had a BP then. This game Barghasts gifs strike me in a very similar vein - someone who wants to be a little controversial D1 without actually putting text on thread. Added to his buddying up to me and today his seeming PI of me I am suspicious. Is he a killer pairing himself up with me so when I get lynched it makes him look good for believing me being town? Is he a symp buddying up to someone not his master to deflect attention from elsewhere? I don't know which but I am very suspicious. He does make excuses and his behaviour at EoD does make him look good from my perspective - not pushing for my lynch after all - but I wonder.

I had intended to be a little more specific but I've just had a call from one of our contractors and need to pop into work. I will return.

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 24 June 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

From last game we ended up lynching the wifom on the last day and losing the game, and the wiifom ended up town, so Denul is proposing we lynch him today to get rid of that doubt. WCS scenario there are 3 scum, and regardless whether or not GL is one of them, there are two other scum players. By focusing on GL we approach D day at a greater pace without putting pressure on other players.

Day one and two Denul was not as "productive" as this day, yes he makes good points but I think that is because he has received a little pressure to do so. I fear that his influence will grow as the game progresses. Last game a player missed the first few lynches by missing the end of day and ended up scum. We need to learn from this and not let players drift through to the end of the game.

So you basically suggest we play last game in reverse? Brilliant.

[Galayn Lord]

Hah, crosspost.

[Eloth]

Galayn Lord, on 24 June 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Okay my head isn't much clearer after a bad nights sleep.

What gets me from a quick re-read?

Barghast.

His .gifs to be more precise.

Yes, they're a little annoying. What strikes me is that last game Khell was trying to be a little annoying so he'd be seen as not being a scum candidate because it was going to potentially draw attention to himself. Now he was town and had a BP then. This game Barghasts gifs strike me in a very similar vein - someone who wants to be a little controversial D1 without actually putting text on thread. Added to his buddying up to me and today his seeming PI of me I am suspicious. Is he a killer pairing himself up with me so when I get lynched it makes him look good for believing me being town? Is he a symp buddying up to someone not his master to deflect attention from elsewhere? I don't know which but I am very suspicious. He does make excuses and his behaviour at EoD does make him look good from my perspective - not pushing for my lynch after all - but I wonder.

I had intended to be a little more specific but I've just had a call from one of our contractors and need to pop into work. I will return.

One thing for sure: he's not a symp as there aren't any - unless Shin clarified that there might be?

[Barghast]

Eloth I will address the post above in a detailed manner for you, as you have put a lot of effort into the post. However, can I ask why you left more scenarios out? You picked three that fit what you are trying to say but, as town, should you not want to look at all the possibilities? I mean, Liosan removed because he understood why I was coming from a certain direction once I quoted the post by you in which I was replying, but you still want to push further, it does not paint you in a good light. For example, what about the scenario were GL and Barghast are town? That was not even addressed in your post above, surely, you would want to consider that scenario because otherwise you are trying to set up two lynches, that is GL and I because they fit more of your scenarios. It is convenient no?

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 24 June 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Eloth I will address the post above in a detailed manner for you, as you have put a lot of effort into the post. However, can I ask why you left more scenarios out? You picked three that fit what you are trying to say but, as town, should you not want to look at all the possibilities? I mean, Liosan removed because he understood why I was coming from a certain direction once I quoted the post by you in which I was replying, but you still want to push further, it does not paint you in a good light. For example, what about the scenario were GL and Barghast are town? That was not even addressed in your post above, surely, you would want to consider that scenario because otherwise you are trying to set up two lynches, that is GL and I because they fit more of your scenarios. It is convenient no?

Funny, I cover all angles except that one, yes. Because this is a case. The case is against you. It is up to you to argue your side, not for me to provide you with an out. More than that, I don't think you can prove GL is town, but it doesn't matter - as I stated, I am considering you the better vote over GL.

So, with the underlined, do you truly mean: would you please disarm your own case for me?

The answer is: no thanks. Especially not since you lectured me on how someone after day 1 started doing a DKT and didn't want me to answer for them when the answer was a simple "it's how the site works".

As for a good light... pff. Why would I be concerned with other players' opinions of whether or not I am nice?
People can question me. People can make cases against me. People can vote me and scum can NK me. But the threat that if I don't cease, I won't look good is utterly meaningless, and, in fact, rather scummy.

You prefer me to withdraw without having my questions and doubts assuaged? You prefer for me (and other people) to take you on your word without asking for what I regard a sufficient explanation? I wouldn't be playing for town if I didn't want to have as little doubt as possible.

[Eloth]

Okay, I went back and looked. It might have been enough for Liosan, it isn't for me.

In the exchange where you go about GL being inno, you name several things. Neither of those is good enough to clear you. Yes, people were on GL on day 1 and 2. No, there was no resistance. Except that there was a second train day 2, on Kaschan, a train that made it to the end. So we're just back talking about day 1 and your day 2 part is more or less bullshit.

Then there's something 'you won't go into because of modkill reasons.' Even if you did spot something that made GL town, it doesn't make you town by default. And let's not forget that I have dropped the GL = scum part of my initial case (at the least for now), it's solely against you.

[Eloth]

Also, can you be a tiny bit less condescending?

Quote

Eloth I will address the post above in a detailed manner for you, as you have put a lot of effort into the post.

You're going to reply to me because I made an effort? So nice to get a pat on the head from the almighty mafia master!

[Barghast]

Right I have got a massive post and I don't think all the quote tags will fit.

[Barghast]

In depth reply, hopefully.

Eloth, on 24 June 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

snip

Partly. There's a whole lot of elements here, partly coming from the interaction.
This is going to be long.

Let's summarize. (Let us not summarise, because to get to were I am on GL we need to dissect the end of day. You not quoting shit is annoying)
GL and Kaschan are tied for votes with time running out.

So here we are, the beginning of the end of day 2. I was not around day one to push a lynch, but I was day two, and as you can see from my posting I wanted to lynch. At this stage there were two candidates with 2 votes each. I also express that I see the merit in a GL lynch here, let this be noted because time is precious and there are only two choices.

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

It is day 2, 26 hours and 50 minutes are left.

11 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Kaschan: Sukul Ankhadu
1 vote Galayn Lord: Liosan
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Kaschan

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Nimander Golit

By the last update we have around 5/6 hours.

Current count by my reckoning is;
2 vote Kaschan: Sukul Ankhadu, Barghast
2 vote Galayn Lord: Liosan, Eloth

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Kaschan
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal

Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't like Ampelas' "list". I can see the merit of a GL lynch. I am happy with my vote for now but could switch if needed for a lynch.

After this both Kaschan and GL vote for each other so the votes are 3 each. Out of these two votes, GL says he will vote for himself if needed for the lynch.

Ampelas votes for Kaschan, this makes it 4 votes for Kaschan 3 for GL.

Denul evens things up by stating that a willingness to self vote is not town play.

Nimander votes for Kaschan because he does not understand the GL case.

At this stage;

Shinrei, on 20 June 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

t is day 2, 2 hours and 25 minutes are left.

11 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

5 vote Kaschan: Sukul Ankhadu, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Ampelas, Nimander Golit
4 vote Galayn Lord: Liosan, Eloth, Kaschan, Denul
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal


Players not voting: Hood's Path,

Kaschan is in the lead for the lynch and there are only 2 hours to go. This is L1, HP could hammer at this stage, he comes on

Hood, on 20 June 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

First, I realize the day is short and we had a no Lynch yesterday but Nimander putting kaschan at L-1 with two hours to go stinks a bit to me.
Second, I really don't see if there's much of a case on Kaschan. I'm far more inclined to put my vote on GL. But since I just bitched at NG for that same thing I won't put him at L1.
Make no mistake, I will hammer whomever I have to to get the lynch today.

Now Eloth, here is where my doubts begin, Kaschan and GL have a lot of votes on them, with this remove it is back to 4 a piece. Their defense was minimal, this is what I am saying about how either one of them could be lynched. With this remove vote, it creates the opportunity that firstly, Kaschan is not hammered before we discuss the merits of the lynch and secondly, it makes GL just as viable an option as Kaschan.

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

Remove vote

for now, I am here to change.

What are your thoughts about the lack of defense from both parties? Surely they should be protesting more than this and offering alternatives?

Shinrei, on 20 June 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

It is day 2, 1 hours and 19 minutes are left.

11 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

4 votes Kaschan: Sukul Ankhadu, Galayn Lord, Ampelas, Nimander Golit
4 votes Galayn Lord: Liosan, Eloth, Kaschan, Denul
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal


Players not voting: Barghast, Hood's Path,

I am stating my desire that my vote is flexible, and the reason I am doing this is because I don't have a true scum feel for either of these choices.

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Out of the two options I find Kaschan to be the more scummier but nothing really sways me to defend GL and look at him innocently. There is possibly one or two players that I can see myself nodding along to, but various actions from others make my vote quite flexible.

I could vote for Ampelas for his reactions around the Sukul incident, but I wasn't getting a good feeling from him early on either.

Nothing has been majorly scummy for me this game so far. Another failed lynch is not going to happen though.