[Ultama]

Tiamatha, on 27 June 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Alright ladies and gents, I have like six minutes left and since no one has been polite enough to actually ask me how all this works, I'll just have to tell you! Humph />/>

So, serious mode, at least for the rest of this post. Listen up:



I am Alera. I am, in essence, a buffer. No, not a huffer (okay, one joke), a buffer.

You're a dragon so you are a huffer. What about fluffer? Are you one of those too?

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

Start of Day Status Update

Narash
Infested

Shuar
Infestation Counter: 8/11 (10 + 1)

Antillus
Infestation Counter: 0/10

Elinarch
Infestation Counter: 0/14 (10 + 2 + 2)

Kalare
Infestation Counter: 0/10
Great Fury Counter: 1/20

Ceres
Infestation Counter: 0/17 (15 + 1 + 1)

Alera Imperia
Infestation Counter: 0/20
Great Fury Counter: 2/30

Phrygia
Infestation Counter: 0/15

Riva
Infestation Counter: 0/20

Aquitaine
Infestation Counter: 0/15

Calderon
Infestation Counter: 0/21 (20 + 1)
Thana Great Fury Counter: 2/30
Garados Great Fury Counter: 2/100

Catching up... 3 pages since yesterday, wow. If nobody has done it by the time I've caught up, I want to cross-reference this with Day 1 to see what has changed.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 23 hours 25 minutes remaining.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

3 votes for Tiamatha (Ryllandaras, Demelain, Nimander Golit)
1 vote for Tellan (Ultama)
1 vote for Nimander Golit (Korbas)


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Emurlahn, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

[Emurlahn]

Korbas, on 27 June 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

22 alts have posted at least once I think. Barghast, Venesara, only twice.

I am not overly concerned at low posting but someone must be managing at lease two alts which is a hard thing to do. The onus should be on everyone to up their game and make it difficult for this person to hide.

Same thought here. You'd have to assume the tax of playing two alts would cause one of them to be a low-poster. But which one is the dummy alt (assuming one has no valid vote, for example)? The low poster or the high poster?

[Emurlahn]

Monok Ochem, on 27 June 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

Day 1 is over.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

12 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night

12 votes for Fener (Liosan, Korbas, Okaros, Alkend, Trake, Gait, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Emurlahn, Ultama, Demelain, Tellan)
1 vote for Trake (Fener)
1 vote for Ryllandaras (Nimander Golit)

Players not voted: Barghast, Demelain, Galain, Kedeviss, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Venesara

There is no lynch.

The post above made me look back on this. I didn't get back online until the lynch failed and day 1 ended, so as I was trying to catch up and wait out the rest of night, I misread this. I thought that Fener received his 12th vote(12 votes needed to lynch) and it ended the day right then, and Fener should have been lynched, but was saved due to an LP or something. This doesn't appear to be the case, which many of you probably already realized, but I didn't. The day didn't end when Fener received that 12th and last vote, the day timed out. He just happened to be sitting on 12 votes. It's possible that it wasn't necessarily an LP that saved him, but the fact that he needed extra votes like in the Dresden game, or like Ryllandaras said above which made me recognize my error, that perhaps one of the multiple alts don't count. We're also assuming that it's the Vord with additional alts, which does make the most sense, but not confirmed.

Basically it's possible that it wasn't an LP, but that Fener needed extra votes, or someone's vote doesn't count, either because their votes will never count, or because a certain factions votes don't count against their members or leader, etc. I also think this would more likely apply to the Vord faction, but perhaps the First Aleran faction as well, since it would have to be one of the smaller factions for this to seem probable. If it was due to votes not counting, then it's most likely due to the additional alt votes, imo.

I already brought this up. It also makes me immediately angry with Tellan because he took so long to hammer. When a lynch is essentially decided, there's no point dragging it out. Doesn't mean Tellan was the bad vote, but it's bad form because now we're stuck with this mess.

[Emurlahn]

Tiamatha, on 27 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Hello again! You must all be wondering why I'm late to the party Trust me, I'd be feeling just as suspicious in your shoes.

So first things first. I am not a Vord. There, that's settled now.

Second things second. I am Alera. I'll let that wash over you for a minute [smug face].

Well now, no time like your first post to reveal! lol

[Emurlahn]

Interesting. Not entirely unbelievable in a game of this complexity. Ultimately, I wonder if Tiamatha is aligned with any particular faction or just here for giggles.

I don't really want to lynch either Tiamatha or Fener at this point. The moderators are being intentionally vague on Fener's lynch, so we can't be sure if he didn't have enough votes or if he had a Lynch proof. With the extra alts in the game, I feel like the most likely scenario is there are votes that don't count. That makes me want to vote for one of the people on Fener's train.

[Emurlahn]

Don't know who I prefer to target just yet, but here's the vote from yesterday at day's end.

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

Day 1 is over.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

12 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night

12 votes for Fener (Liosan, Korbas, Okaros, Alkend, Trake, Gait, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Emurlahn, Ultama, Demelain, Tellan)
1 vote for Trake (Fener)
1 vote for Ryllandaras (Nimander Golit)

Players not voted: Barghast, Demelain, Galain, Kedeviss, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Venesara

There is no lynch.

[Nimander Golit]

Not only does this Alera reveal make zero sense in relation to the books, this whole situation is stupid to begin with. Why would Alera only show up on day 2? Why would we have to vote to PS at the word of Alera with no confirmation from the mods of it being a mechanic at all? If Alera is completely neutral and affects all players equally, what is the point of someone even playing the Alera role at all, instead of it just being a built-in mechanic?

Conversely, if a Vord player were able to create a new alt and wanted to have it fake reveal as something very innocent-sounding but with almost no chance of it being the same role as an existing player, Alera is pretty much the best choice for a role that you can find on wikiepdia/codexAleraPedia, sounds like a loyalist/first aleran and no one else will probably be.

Consider, this: we know there were 2 extra alts at the start of the game. Shuar went up by 5 infestation counts at the start of the game, but only went up 3 this morning. I think the extra two alts were generic Vord, being controlled by one player who started with 3 Vord alts, and every night another Vord can be hatched, which creates a new alt. I think Tiam and either 2 or 3 other alts are generic Vord creatures/armies, and they automatically add 1 infestation counter every day. This is how the infestation counts scale up, because if they only added 3 every cycle our fortifications would easily stop them. We can easily attack the new Vord alt every day, but at some point they will either start producing faster (maybe every fully infested tile generates a new one each dawn?) or else other non-generic vord roles will attack and kill us off slowly, forcing us to try and take out the stronger Vord roles at the expense of letting the generic ones build up.

Tiam is, IMO, likely a Vord. Not even a strong one. But to prove it, I want to lynch Tiam today.

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

Start of Day Status Update

Narash
Infested

Shuar
Infestation Counter: 8/11 (10 + 1) Increase of 3 Infestation Counters, Increase of 1 Fortification

Antillus
Infestation Counter: 0/10 Loss of 2 Fortification

Elinarch
Infestation Counter: 0/14 (10 + 2 + 2) Increase of 3 "net" Fortification, but notice it is written as +2 +2 and yesterday was +1... thoughts on this below

Kalare
Infestation Counter: 0/10
Great Fury Counter: 1/20 Increase of 1 Fury

Ceres
Infestation Counter: 0/17 (15 + 1 + 1) Increase of 2 Fortification

Alera Imperia
Infestation Counter: 0/20 Loss of 1 Fortification
Great Fury Counter: 2/30 Increase of 2 Fury

Phrygia
Infestation Counter: 0/15

Riva
Infestation Counter: 0/20

Aquitaine
Infestation Counter: 0/15

Calderon
Infestation Counter: 0/21 (20 + 1) Loss of 5 Fortification, but it was written as 25 + 1 before
Thana Great Fury Counter: 2/30 Increase of 2 Fury
Garados Great Fury Counter: 2/100 Increase of 2 Fury

Here's the map of the game:




Now to summarize...

[Emurlahn]

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Not only does this Alera reveal make zero sense in relation to the books, this whole situation is stupid to begin with. Why would Alera only show up on day 2? Why would we have to vote to PS at the word of Alera with no confirmation from the mods of it being a mechanic at all? If Alera is completely neutral and affects all players equally, what is the point of someone even playing the Alera role at all, instead of it just being a built-in mechanic?

Conversely, if a Vord player were able to create a new alt and wanted to have it fake reveal as something very innocent-sounding but with almost no chance of it being the same role as an existing player, Alera is pretty much the best choice for a role that you can find on wikiepdia/codexAleraPedia, sounds like a loyalist/first aleran and no one else will probably be.

Consider, this: we know there were 2 extra alts at the start of the game. Shuar went up by 5 infestation counts at the start of the game, but only went up 3 this morning. I think the extra two alts were generic Vord, being controlled by one player who started with 3 Vord alts, and every night another Vord can be hatched, which creates a new alt. I think Tiam and either 2 or 3 other alts are generic Vord creatures/armies, and they automatically add 1 infestation counter every day. This is how the infestation counts scale up, because if they only added 3 every cycle our fortifications would easily stop them. We can easily attack the new Vord alt every day, but at some point they will either start producing faster (maybe every fully infested tile generates a new one each dawn?) or else other non-generic vord roles will attack and kill us off slowly, forcing us to try and take out the stronger Vord roles at the expense of letting the generic ones build up.

Tiam is, IMO, likely a Vord. Not even a strong one. But to prove it, I want to lynch Tiam today.

It's an interesting thought, but if the Vord can spawn someone new every day... we're going to spend all game just lynching off new alts every day.

[Ryllandaras]

I still get a bullshit vibe. I don't know if any of this is canon or not (and Blend doesn't necessarily have to stick closely to the books either), but it just all strikes me as too convoluted. And why did Tiam appear today, anyway, and not yesterday? Didn't explain that. I'll be happy to be proved wrong, but for now I am keeping my vote on Tiam.

[Trake]

I'm going to go on record and say I think Tiam is legit.
I'm also going to Vote Barghast
just because he's too quiet and I don't like that alt.

[Okaros]

At first, I saw all the votes on Tiam as kinda unwarranted. At least those just because he showed up day 2. But after a reveal that, to me, sounds suspect at best, and just implausible at worst, I'm not going to vote yet, but Tiam is one of my top choices.

[Emurlahn]

The strangest part to me is why some fortifications are listed as + 1 + 1 and others are listed as +2. The best answer I have is that multiple factions have members that can add fortification and the numbers are shown in aggregate-by-faction.

Thus, on day 1, Antillus had 2 in the same faction, Elinarch had 1, Alera Imperia had 1, and Calderon had... I have no idea. 25 + 1 yesterday, 20 + 1 today? Maybe a multiplicative effect? Like, when the faction members are together, it's 5 each or something? That would mean 5 from one faction and 1 from a different faction yesterday, but only 4 from the first faction today.

I think by looking at where the fortifications are, we can discern where people have moved.
Shuar: It appears that whoever in the Vord is responsible for creation of infestation counters (the queen?) is sitting on Shuar and firmly entrenched there. They added 3 yesterday. Someone has also moved onto Shuar, which almost certainly means they came across the blue line from Elinarch. It could be whoever was previously in Elinarch giving it +1, or it could be someone from Antillus who could move 2.

Antilus: Whoever was on here is gone now. It could have been one person who gave 2 Fortification, or two people who gave 1 each (and by my theory, were on the same faction). Where did they go?

Elinarch: Lost a -1 and gained +2 + 2. Could be whoever was here stayed here and gained someone else to boost to +2... but the other +2 is a mystery. The only other bonuses were previously on Antillus, Alera Imperia, and Calderon... which makes me think that the Antillus bonus moved to Elinarch. Calderon is 4 spaces away. Loyalists have big movement abilities, so maybe they were involved?

Ceres: Gained + 1 + 1. One guess is Elinarch and Alera Imperia fortifiers moved here... but if Antillus moved to Elinarch, then who moved to Shuar? Calderon? That is 5 spaces. That's a ton. That would be insane if someone could move across basically the whole map in one turn.

Alera Imperia: Someone left here.

Calderon: At least one person left here.

[Trake]

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

The strangest part to me is why some fortifications are listed as + 1 + 1 and others are listed as +2. The best answer I have is that multiple factions have members that can add fortification and the numbers are shown in aggregate-by-faction.

Thus, on day 1, Antillus had 2 in the same faction, Elinarch had 1, Alera Imperia had 1, and Calderon had... I have no idea. 25 + 1 yesterday, 20 + 1 today? Maybe a multiplicative effect? Like, when the faction members are together, it's 5 each or something? That would mean 5 from one faction and 1 from a different faction yesterday, but only 4 from the first faction today.

I think by looking at where the fortifications are, we can discern where people have moved.
Shuar: It appears that whoever in the Vord is responsible for creation of infestation counters (the queen?) is sitting on Shuar and firmly entrenched there. They added 3 yesterday. Someone has also moved onto Shuar, which almost certainly means they came across the blue line from Elinarch. It could be whoever was previously in Elinarch giving it +1, or it could be someone from Antillus who could move 2.

Antilus: Whoever was on here is gone now. It could have been one person who gave 2 Fortification, or two people who gave 1 each (and by my theory, were on the same faction). Where did they go?

Elinarch: Lost a -1 and gained +2 + 2. Could be whoever was here stayed here and gained someone else to boost to +2... but the other +2 is a mystery. The only other bonuses were previously on Antillus, Alera Imperia, and Calderon... which makes me think that the Antillus bonus moved to Elinarch. Calderon is 4 spaces away. Loyalists have big movement abilities, so maybe they were involved?

Ceres: Gained + 1 + 1. One guess is Elinarch and Alera Imperia fortifiers moved here... but if Antillus moved to Elinarch, then who moved to Shuar? Calderon? That is 5 spaces. That's a ton. That would be insane if someone could move across basically the whole map in one turn.

Alera Imperia: Someone left here.

Calderon: At least one person left here.

Fortifications are likely NAs. Some characters might have passive abilities that add to their fortification NAs; so, from +1 to +2 under certain circumstances.

[Okaros]

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I'm going to go on record and say I think Tiam is legit.
I'm also going to Vote Barghast
just because he's too quiet and I don't like that alt.

Derailing much?

Just like Gait yesterday, you dont give a reason for why you are defending someone, but unlike Gait, you go further and drop a vote on an alt that is completely unmentioned so far, with no explanation. In case Tiam is Alera, id rather lynch trake first to test if hes defending her because shes alera, or because shes vord.

Vote Trake

[Demelain]

Remember that earth furries can add fortifications aswell.

[Trake]

Okaros, on 27 June 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I'm going to go on record and say I think Tiam is legit.
I'm also going to Vote Barghast
just because he's too quiet and I don't like that alt.

Derailing much?

Just like Gait yesterday, you dont give a reason for why you are defending someone, but unlike Gait, you go further and drop a vote on an alt that is completely unmentioned so far, with no explanation. In case Tiam is Alera, id rather lynch trake first to test if hes defending her because shes alera, or because shes vord.

Vote Trake

Barghast has two posts. The same as someone who was modkilled for inactivity. He's being too quiet. He's been mentioned earlier as being far too quiet, as well.
Also, didn't you call me out on voting for Gait when I should have stuck with Fener because he was the one being defended?

[Trake]

Demelain, on 27 June 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Remember that earth furries can add fortifications aswell.

Which is why I recommend people's Alera vote be Earth. I'm not an Earth Fury user, so I don't know whether Passive or Active, but I assume active is guarding and passive is fortifications.