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  1. In Topic: Bonea and smiles

    27 April 2019 - 04:37 AM

    To me Smiles doesn't really seem like the type of person to have that kind of relationship with anyone. I believe that when people mention Bottle and Smiles it is more them teasing Bottle than anything else, especially in response to his "intimate" relationship with Eres'al.
  2. In Topic: A further consideration of Adjunct Tavore

    23 April 2019 - 07:12 PM

    View PostTehol, on 26 March 2019 - 10:54 PM, said:

    View PostTheRetiredBridgeburner, on 06 August 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

    View PostGorefest, on 04 August 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

    It is probably also a reason why we never see her as a point of view character. She stays remote to the end, possibly because SE doesnt want you to identify with her. But that strays into the realm of literary analysis and I am not well equiped for that.


    I've always felt this was an absolute master stroke - we don't need Tavore's point of view, everything we need to know about her is on the page through the views of those around her. To take away her remoteness (which is oft commented on and felt by the characters around her) would be to take away some of what makes her arc stand out and to strip it of some of its power.

    And I agree with the general consensus - Tavore's arc is not about redemption, because she cannot be redeemed. She is faced with impossible choices, knowing just how close she always is to complete failure and annihilation with each one (particularly the crossing of the Glass Desert), and as has been said elsewhere the soldiers slowly realise the bigger picture and are compassionate with the immense strain she very nearly buckles under.

    ...



    We actually do get a view into her soul, so to speak, when she finally meets her brother:

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    'Tavore! Stop! It's me – it's Ganoes!'
    The helm came away, left his hand to thump on the ground – she stared up at him, disbelieving, and then, in
    her face, everything shattered.
    'I lost her! Oh, Ganoes, I lost her!'


    The one thought most on her mind is about their sister and her failure at protecting her.
    How long would she have carried this burden? how much would it have shaped her determination to not fail again?


    Thank you, I was waiting for someone to mention that. It seems to go directly against a lot of what OP was arguing in regards to Tavore and her views of Felisin and the culling.
  3. In Topic: New Member Introduction Thread

    23 April 2019 - 06:49 PM

    View PostJohn II, on 23 April 2019 - 04:01 AM, said:

    View PostTJack, on 23 April 2019 - 03:32 AM, said:

    It seems that we have our likes pointed in exact oposite directions, haha. I like all the loose ends in MBotF, oddly enough. I see them as entirely separate stories that just happen to overlap with the one being told. I think this makes the world itself more epic, although I get where you are coming from in regards to SA. For me the epic part of MBotF come from the ramifications of that lost campaign and how those events will be shaped by the future (I'm thinking Chain of Dogs here). I feel like Sanderson is firmly rooted in the present, which I agree makes his books more readable (although I don't know about rereadable) but is not really what I like. Erikson to me writes characters and event's with a more grounded, realistic bent, whereas Sanderson writes with a more idealized and fun(not to say always happy) bent. I see the allure of both sides and I feel more inclined toward the former, but I can understand the enjoyment that one would get from reading the latter.


    Yep, that was sort of my point (opposite directions). As I said, I haven't finished it yet, and I find that the ending often affects my enjoyment a lot, either negatively (eg: Brent Weeks' Night Angel) or positively (eg: Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn); we'll see what I think about it then.
    Totally agree on the ramifications of the Chain of Dogs, etc. As I alluded to earlier, the COD is for me the high point of the series.


    Well have fun with the series. The ending to TtH is pretty great, so I hope you enjoy it!
  4. In Topic: New Member Introduction Thread

    23 April 2019 - 03:32 AM

    It seems that we have our likes pointed in exact oposite directions, haha. I like all the loose ends in MBotF, oddly enough. I see them as entirely separate stories that just happen to overlap with the one being told. I think this makes the world itself more epic, although I get where you are coming from in regards to SA. For me the epic part of MBotF come from the ramifications of that lost campaign and how those events will be shaped by the future (I'm thinking Chain of Dogs here). I feel like Sanderson is firmly rooted in the present, which I agree makes his books more readable (although I don't know about rereadable) but is not really what I like. Erikson to me writes characters and event's with a more grounded, realistic bent, whereas Sanderson writes with a more idealized and fun(not to say always happy) bent. I see the allure of both sides and I feel more inclined toward the former, but I can understand the enjoyment that one would get from reading the latter.
  5. In Topic: New Member Introduction Thread

    22 April 2019 - 10:22 PM

    View PostJohn II, on 22 April 2019 - 08:50 PM, said:

    H'lo all.
    I'm currently up to Toll the Hounds in the main series, having read Night of Knives and Return of the Crimson Guard from the Novels of the Malazan Empire series.
    I'm still not sure what I think of this series. The Chain of Dogs story line was amazing, and it definitely has some likable characters (Kruppe, Tehol, Bugg, Trull) and some badassery (Anomander, Karsa, Urko), but it seems a little... eclectic. Even at TtH, I still have no idea about Kellanved's character, Dancer seems a completely different person between Gardens of the Moon and the rest of the series, Laseen is always talked up as being clever but makes a lot of stupid decisions, Tayschrenn is completely different after GotM, etc.
    I still think it's a pretty good series, but not as good as other fantasies I've read (Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive, Glenn Cook's Black Company, Brent Weeks' Lightbringer, Django Wexler's Shadow Campaigns, Daniel Abraham's Long Price, etc). It is definitely better than the horrifically overrated A Song of Ice and Fire, however.
    The main problem I have is that although the books are gripping once you get into them, it's difficult to do so. For example, it is possible to go from The Way of Kings to Words of Radiance to Oathbringer without missing a beat (which I have done on a couple of re-reads), but it is difficult to go from Deadhouse Gates to Memories of Ice. It definitely has enough draw to make me want to read to the end - I'll see what I think once I read tCG.




    Hello, fellow newbie here (just finished MBotF). That is an interesting point because I had the exact opposite reaction to Stormlight Archives vs. MBotF, haha. I think the complexities of MBotF really shine compared to SA and it seems to me to be more of a developed world than Roshar. I think Sanderson doesn't develop each individual world enough (with him using them as a means to explore the Cosmere) and I feel like the settings sometimes feel artificial, as if they were created specifically for the books' plotlines. Whereas Malazan seems to have all the history present, with the story only being one of many that take place there.

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