[Bauchelain the Evil]

There are two things that bothers me about this god.
Here' s the first: In Moi' s second prologue before cursing the three EG Kallor referres to Draconis as descendant of Tiam. Does this mean that he can take a draconian form?
Here's the second, instead: when Paran speak with Draconis in Dragnipur the god says that at first he thought that only Darkness could presrve Order from Chaos. What' s Draconis relationship with Mother Darkness?.

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[Aptorian]

Not much is revealed so far, but yes, he is connected to both darkness and starvald demelain, that's about all we know.

Draconus is going to play a big role in the upcomming book Toll the Hounds, so you'll have to be patient if you want further info on the guy.

[thesalus]

Kallor's reference to Draconus as Tiam's kin most likely refers to the presence of Tiam's blood within his veins. Which would mean that he has a soletaken draconean form. I can't recall any scene in which he unveils his soletaken form, but there have been affirmations.

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More specifically, from the reactions of the dragons in tBH

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I had believed, Ganoes Paran, in those early times, that only in Darkness could the power that is order be manifested. I sought to help Mother Dark—for it seemed she was incapable of helping herself. She would not answer, she would not even acknowledge her children. She had withdrawn, deep into her own realm, far from all of us, so far that we could not find her.'

His relationship? Not quite sure of the link between that statement and your question, but...

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There've been theories in the future books on the origin of Mother Dark and the Elder Gods. Osserc makes some statement that the first children of MD did not have need of a father and that they were not Tiste Andii. This might be a reference to the elder gods, maybe not. There've also been mentions of Mother Dark and coexisting elementals before the coming of light (I think).

[Tarr]

Draconus is an elder god and I believe he represents one of the two chambers of krul's heart (Starvald Demain) while the sister of cold nights (Nightchill) represents the other (Kurald Galian). So Draconus is probably a eleint while nightchill is probably an tiste andii.

[Aptorian]

That's some pretty amazing and very farfetched theories you're coming up with there.

Nothing like that has ever been stated.

[Tarr]

Far fetched? Come on it's been stated that the two chambers of kruls heart are those two warrens enough times! Plus why would you need a second god of darkness? the fact that they are his brother and sister also comes into it a lot! Its not a crazy theory and I am willing to bet that it will soon be a fact!

[Zanth13]

quotes are it didnt happen!!

and as far as I know there is no reason to suspect that nightchill is a Tiste Andii... we know she is an elder god and we know she can take mortal form at will (before tay screwed her over any way) but nothing to suggest she is of kin to rake and her name IMO would suggest being older then the Andii

The only hint we have about Darconus' heritage could be his name (draconus/dragon) but that might be misleading knowing SE.. but he has been stated to be an elder god(and a cruel one in his day) and thats all we know (you have to prove that heart chamber stuff)

[Aptorian]

Why would Draconus and Sister of Cold Nights be the twin hearts of K'rull? For one, they're brothers and sisters of K'rull. They are portrayed as equals. Secondly, what connection between Darkness and the Sister do you know of? I remember no such comment. Third, while the two elder gods might in fact be protectors of SD and KG, the twin chambers of K'rulls heart are described as warrens. The EGs aren't the warren manifest... as far as we know.

[Folken]

Refrain from bringing up points from later novels:)

PS. Tarr understand the way the system with K'Rul works. It's not the way you believe it to be.

[Tarr]

Sorry! thought it was bonehunters forum for some reason.

@jen'isand rul How does the system with Krul work then?

[The Crippled God]

Well as far as I get it, The Elder Gods have roamed the world befor the K'Chain Che Malle, but, who were their worshipers??? Eresal? Draconis is perhaps the Protector of Curad Galain. Why? Because he created Dragipur, and the sword is the Gate for the Warren....I find it very strange, but I see a lot in common between Rake and Draconis..May be Draconis will come to Rake, ad with a strange robotic voice, he tells heim: Rake, I am your father! Come with me my son.... Whatever... I thin that staing in the Sword has changed Draconis as a person....I'm not sure if he is his former self anymore...

[eekwibble]

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Well as far as I get it, The Elder Gods have roamed the world befor the K'Chain Che Malle, but, who were their worshipers??? Eresal? Draconis is perhaps the Protector of Curad Galain. Why? Because he created Dragipur, and the sword is the Gate for the Warren....I find it very strange, but I see a lot in common between Rake and Draconis..May be Draconis will come to Rake, ad with a strange robotic voice, he tells heim: Rake, I am your father! Come with me my son.... Whatever... I thin that staing in the Sword has changed Draconis as a person....I'm not sure if he is his former self anymore...

Former self or not, he's not gonna come to the guy that nicked his sword and then killed him with it with arms wide open is he? Not if he's got any sense anyway. Rake would stab him again soon as look at him. Lol.
Point 1: Yes, Draconus can take dragon form. He is soletaken just like AR (though not Elient as suggested by Tarr. Elient are the Pure Blood dragons).
Point 2: Draconus doesn't like not being in control, or more correctly, there not being some form of control, over the unfolding history of the world. Any deviation from order is heinous to him. He's a bloody minded fascist! I'm sure it says somewhere that he tried to convince Mother Dark to have a word with herself about all that chaos stuff and to reign it in a bit but she told him where to go. They are not mentioned as sharing any part of a family tree as far as I can remember.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

eekwibble;277965 said:

Yes, Draconus can take dragon form. He is soletaken just like AR (though not Elient as suggested by Tarr. Elient are the Pure Blood dragons).

As I' ve already read TBH it's not a problem but I'd like to say that this revelation does not belong to MoI

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[Warqueen]

insert silly theory here:....Burn is sick-poisoned....the warrens are then infected....the warrens are K'rul life blood....Burn is an Elder Goddess...anyone see a connection??

[Bauchelain the Evil]

What! What does this unconected words have to do with all this? Unless you are referring to what we discovered in tBH about dragons and warrens.

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You can't be serious!
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This rain will make the sea rise, yes?

Mallick Rel to Pearl

[Aptorian]

He's implying that K'rull and Burn is the same thing... I think. It is of course a silly notion.

[Warqueen]

Aptorian;286320 said:

He's implying that K'rull and Burn is the same thing... I think. It is of course a silly notion.

I didn't mean they are the same thing...if anyone would be K'rul's heart it would be Burn...who when poisoned makes him bleed...

[Aptorian]

So burn is inside K'rull and Kurald Galain and Starvard Demelain is inside Burn... along with Omtose Phellack?

K'rulls warrens are linked to Burn, they are grounded to the earth, which is why you have those dead areas on Lether and 7Cs.

[Dancer+]

Anyone have an idea of the page number of Draconus and Paran's talk in Memories of Ice? I'd be grateful

EDIT: no need, found it.

[bhok'arala]

i guess omtose Phelack could be a side effect of burn's existence: Newton's third law: everything acted upon has an equal and oppisite reaction. could this warren of ice be the product of burn?

If draconus could turn dragon (hence his name?) it would in turn explain his relationship with mother dark because those to familes are very clsoely entertwined