[BridgeBurner-Dntxo]

where does hairlock end up throught the bulk of the books story erikson spends a long time building the character of hairlock (cool idea i might add the whole soul shifting thing) then for him to almost hurridly brough bck into the book frying crows then turns up at random kills toc the younger wich sucked btw then gear gets him i personaly feel more could have been done witht he character what do you all think?

[Dancer+]

Personally I think Hairlock's character was portrayed well and it fit its purpose. The reason for his death was literally explained by QB, he was too chaotic and malevolent.

I don't have any complaints in this regard.

[Skywalker]

If this is your first reading of Erikson, I can understand thinking Hairlock was kind of on the scene intermittently.

But once you get used to the idea of convergence, and you come to recognize SE's compact and multi-threaded writing style, I think you'll recognize where Hairlock fits into the big picture.

I thought it Hairlock's appearances were very well done - in Tattersail's chambers fleeing the hounds, on the Rhivi plain, and so on. Throughout, you can sense that he is heading somewhere, on the trail of *something* - but perhaps not doing what the BBs wanted him to do.

How he meets his fate is also pretty cool, methinks.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

[QUOTE=BridgeBurner-Dntxo;262453] kills toc the younger

I have to correct you: Hairlock doesn't kill Toc the Younger he just sends him in a Chaos warren. By the way I agree with you: it was a pity to kill him that way. I really liked him!

[Optimus Prime]

BauchelaintheEvil;275544 said:

BridgeBurner-Dntxo;262453 said:

kills toc the younger

I have to correct you:

Spoiler

Hairlock doesn't kill Toc the Younger he just sends him in a Chaos warren.

By the way I agree with you: it was a pity to kill him that way. I really liked him!

Careful! You don\'t want to spoil anything for the newer readers.

Put stuff in spoilers to avoid this

Spoiler

Remember, Toc the Younger shows up again in Memories of Ice, and until then, we thought him dead A new reader who has only read GotM wouldn't know this

[weaverbird05]

right - since he was fleeing through Chaos, his appearences were chaotic, fairly fitting in my opinion!

[Imperium Corruo]

Man I need to re-read GotM... I didn't even remember how Hairlock died

[Tarr]

The mad puppet idea is cliche but is in this case brilliantly done, full marks to SE.

@BridgeBurner-Dntxo

What would have been the point of having a mad puppet running about for that long? and it might have distracted Quick Ben from what he was doing in the rest of the books.

Does anyone wonder at how much knowledge Quick seems to have of Chaos?

[lobo the wolfman]

Does anyone wonder at how much knowledge Quick Ben has about anything and everything?

[Raraku]

Well QB does have 12 souls inside him and since then he also has gathered a lot of info by going to other lands (even as part of an attacking army)
All the souls inside him had knowledge that was really different and probably obscure.
Since a very young age he was really good at magic thus maybe at a very young age he started his quest for knowledge.

[Tarr]

Yes me frequently and constantly.

It's just that where did he get the knowledge as only gods or ascendants have shown any knowledge of chaos and none of his souls would know.

[Aptorian]

Why would none of his souls know? They were priests and scholars. Besides, Quick Ben himself has been shown to be an intuitive and knowledge seeking type.

Also, we've seen time and time again, that mages simply seem to pick things up out of no-where, like threads of information simply trickles out of the threads of reality.

[Doan]

Before my GotM re-read I hadn't remembered the level to which Chaos is described. There seems to be some pretty in-depth description of the space between the warrens. One thing I'm as of yet unclear of is why certain people can use Chaos and not be tainted by it, and others seem to be corrupted? Is it simply a power-level thing?

[Optimus Prime]

Doan;311085 said:

Before my GotM re-read I hadn't remembered the level to which Chaos is described. There seems to be some pretty in-depth description of the space between the warrens. One thing I'm as of yet unclear of is why certain people can use Chaos and not be tainted by it, and others seem to be corrupted? Is it simply a power-level thing?

How far have you read Doan?

You learn more about the Chaos and how it works as you read...that's why I'm askingl.

[Aptorian]

Who have we seen use Chaos and not become utterly fucked by it?

EDIT: Oh right, Garden of the Moon forum

Spoiler

The Matron of Morn was trapped and driven insane, the Edur were twisted, Hairlock goes mental. The only cases I remember of Chaos being used without bad things happen is when it's used in a ritual to break wards and barriers.

[Doan]

I've read the complete available series, I know I need to do these re-reads to clarify my questions about Chaos and the like.

The question about Chaos as it regards causing insanity and the like, is prompted by Quick's traveling and time in Chaos. Im sure it explains itself, but is there some pre-requisite to insanity? Is it time spent in Chaos, of personality of the user, or sheer volume used?

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Hairlock served his purpose, he would have gotten annoying to be running around for a long time. We get it, you're a crazy puppet...I liked him, but there was no reason to keep him around.

[silentmaven]

As my first post I will note here that I am re-reading the series right now. As for Hairlock, I remember the first time I read it and witnessed QB putting that little bastards soul into the puppet and thinking, 'ah, i didn't like him and now I have to put up with him longer. I wish he just bled to death from being chopped in to magically'. It took me a while to like the character, and by the time I liked the mad, painted eyed, little ass - he's destroyed.

However, now re-reading...his character is perfectly weighted and his demise is exactly when it should be as far as the structure of the story is concerned. I think it is a good metaphor for life as well, chaos corrupts and there is no true order out of chaos, its just a dressing.

[Paradoxical Dr??]

Imperium Corruo, on Apr 26 2008, 06:55 PM, said:

Man I need to re-read GotM... I didn't even remember how Hairlock died

I had to laugh when Hairlock finally had his "strings severed" - the Hounds got him in the end and fought over "so much splintered wood"...lol. As for the mad puppet being cliche? Eh, great idea and somethinng that had me really smiling while I read the book!

[The Tyrant Lizard]

Throughout the series characters pop up for short periods of time, leaving us wishing we'd seen more of them. I think it's just one of the things SE does. Hairlock was a brilliant character, and his demise was abrupt, but very well done. In the grand scheme of things, he was one of the smaller parts in the book.