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Artan ~ a scholar of light and life?

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Posted 30 June 2008 - 08:45 AM

oops, damn 'reply with quote didn't work'.
I think High mages are defined in different ways, based on power and control, not necessarily how many warrens they can access. QB and Hairlock seem to learn by travelling through them, finding resistances, testing barriers; a high knowledge that means they have a greater degree of control. It's not true that Tattersail was not a high mage because she only accessed one warren... it was mentioned in GoTM that Thyr is a very difficult warren to master. She had a 'natural' feel fro it which she developed. Beak had a natural feel for all of them, could even combine them together. Is High Mage just a Malazan term, like a rank, given to those who have a certain (recognised) degree of power and control? (QB gets 'made' a High Mage only because he gets noticed unleashing his power against the Pannion Domin. Beak is a squad mage, because no-one knows what he can do.)
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 11:29 AM

High Mage is a title given to those with exceptional mastery in any warren, as explained in my mind with the quick discussion with Twist about the drowned Edur in MoI. Whickeyjack (I think it was) asks if there were ever any Moranth High Mages of Ruse, suggesting its not just a malaz thing, and that you have to actually master the warren to be a true High Mage. Tho what mastery entails, Ive no idea lmao :mad:
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 12:26 PM

That may indicate that it's not just a malaz title, but it might just be that he's asking for the moranth equivalent. Not conclusive i know, but it just seems that since QB, who likes to stay under the radar, only gets made High Mage when he's actually 'officially' noticed, that it is malazan. In Lether, Kuru Quan is a Ceda.. isn't that the same as High Mage?
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 12:37 PM

I think Ceda is even more than a High Mage... Qan was possibly the most potent mage weve seen.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 01:02 PM

Yes.. although the Letherii on the Edur ships assumed QB was a Ceda during their clash. (That was mostly illusion though if i remember right.) Qan used the tiles/Holds instead of the warrens/deck as well; would using the elder version be more or less powerful? The Holds seem more raw, and the warrens 'decended' or refined. Going slightly off the point though! I think the letherii would call QB a Ceda, and the malazans would call Qan a High Mage.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 01:22 PM

Possibly. Holds seem a lot more powerful, take the bit where beak had to use ALL the warrens to hold off a ritual...
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 01:32 PM

That seems to be an exceptional event... i don't think anything like that had been done before. All the warrens at the same time?! QB is strong with his 14 or so... Beak seems to have combined all of them, on his own. The chaotic ritual he faced down was woven together by a number of the kris'nan (?) who all got consumed by it. Well, Beak did too guess. Was that chaotic weaving Hold magic though? I thought chaos is what was outside of the warrens and the holds.
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 10:23 AM

No it was Hold magic. The Letherii only use their Empty Hold, remember, which is more than likely a chaos tainted piece of the Shadow Hold, I reckon.
Hmmm you make a good point. But QB cant take on a HOld either, and has to resort to illusions to scare it off on the Froth Wolf, too.
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 11:16 AM

I think that particular onslaught was tainted (heavily) by chaos, as the kri'snan were being used to channel power by the CG. The Letherii were in charge at that point (which is why they tried to take out the remaining Edur with the same blast) but the power was chaotic. I wonder how Qb would have done... he seemed pretty resigned about the assault at sea before he got a boost from Bottle and the Eres'al.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:01 AM

Id reckon the most he could have done would be deflect some of the power of the attack. Thank god for Bottle and his monkey-woman, eh!
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