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NATO--What do you think?

#21 User is offline   Thelomen Toblerone 

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 12:44 AM

A problem with the Yugoslavian division too was that even if you asked individual villages where they should be, others wouldnt agree. For instance, Serbia has considered Kosovo to be integral to what makes Serbia, Serbia- it goes back to a huge battle against the Ottomans to defend their independence there.

Since that time, due to occupation by a Muslim country and other factors, the population of Kosovo has become primarily muslim and Albanian. Naturally, theyre going to be part of Albania, not Serbia, even though Serbia would claim Kosovo is by rights Serbian.

For instance, imagine that 20 million Russians go to live in New York on Thursday. Should New York become part of Russia purely because the majority of the present population want it to be so? I'd argue not.

National identity and legitimate claims to land are hugely complex issues, and not one likely to be solved staisfactorily through any method, as both sides in any case are likely to have strong and equally legitimate claims. Therefore to try and ascribe a notion of who's right in such circumstances is intrinsically near impossible.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 01:31 AM

well, i wasn't talking about Kosovo--(that's an issue in itself, and it goes back to the question of "who should be considered "historic" populaton vs "colonising" -see the Baltics, for example).
I was thinking more in terms of Croatia/Bosnia--I still don't see what legally prevented Croatian + Bosnian Serbs from secesseeding (sp???) from the newly formed Croatia + Bosnia. in that case, where borders were not ethnic and you were bound to get conflict, imho, the borders should have just been changed...
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 12:34 AM

i think Eurovision would be far more effective than NATO in any situation ... NATO has proved its uselessness over and over again in the 90's :(
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:22 PM

neither the Soviet Union or Russia have started another war in Europe since it's creation, I think it's a large success tbh.
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:31 PM

Gothos;270696 said:

neither the Soviet Union or Russia have started another war in Europe since it's creation, I think it's a large success tbh.


Afghanistan, Chechnya, Nuff said EDIT: Assuming you're talking about NATO there
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:35 PM

hi "EUROPE"
please don't tell me you thought Afghanistan and Chechenya are in Europe... please.
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:43 PM

Gothos;270710 said:

hi "EUROPE"
please don't tell me you thought Afghanistan and Chechenya are in Europe... please.


Yow... :p My bad. Didn't notice the "europe"
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