[The Crippled God]

Who would win in this clash?

[Aptorian]

The romans would field ... say 10 legions give or take to combat this foreign empire if it was believed to be a big enough threat. Lets say an armada of ships is coming to Italy. They'd build fortifications and trenches and "lilly-pads", they'd array hundreds of scorpions, ballista, etc. They wouldn't engage the Malazans in seabattle because the Romans generally sucked at this kind of warfare, at least untill the late period which I know nothing about.

The Malazan magecadres would open up from out to sea and annihalate all the roman fortifications. ripping up the trenches and punching hole in walls, setting wooden structures afire and generally cause mayhem.

The Marines would then secure the beach as the heavies and various specialised legions moved in to make contact. All the while you have sappers running about throwing sharpers, burners and cusser around. The Cavalry would keep the flanks and that would probably be that.

It'd all be over in a bell or two.

Before all this goes down the malazan marines along with units of sappers would probably already be among the Romans.

[Zanth13]

well Malazans have everything the Romans did plus army destroying warren magic and the occasional unkillable undead army at their disposal.

Malazans 1

Rome 0



~Maximus doesn't have shit on Dassem

[Flawed]

Malaz all the way, the magic is the first difference and it all ends there, even before you get to the sharpers and what not.

What nots are incredibly lethal thingys

[The Tyrant Lizard]

Malaz would annihilate Rome.

A squad of marines, one High Mage, one sapper and a claw or two could take on an entire Roman army.

[Aptorian]

Unless in this universe the Roman gods are actually active? Suddenly Caesar as pontifex Maximus becomes a lot scarier.

I smithe thee with my thunderbolts of awesomeness!

[The Crippled God]

Lets say prays of Romans are like Magic to balance the stuff

[The Tyrant Lizard]

Good point, Or what about later when they became Christians? Old Testiment God was a serious bad ass. He dont need a Mortal Sword, he does his own dirty work.

[The Crippled God]

Mhm...Good Old Jehovah... a badass dude indeed...well, I think old Jupiter with a little help from Mars can also do the trick

[Dancer+]

It would be better to do this again, but without magic or explosives. Don't try and create a roman magic system

[Mcflury]

you can hardly imagine a malaz army without explosions :s I mean, the moranth munition has become (over time) a very important way of how the malazan army works...

If you take in account the moranth munition: Malaz empire wins, just because the main tactic of infantry the romans used was their turtle positions thing... throw a freaking sharper into those ranks and you'll see the whole tactic melt away.

Without the munitions or magic: whoever brought the most troops to the battlefield will win.

[Vengeance]

[QUOTE=Aptorian;246507]The romans would field ... say 10 legions give or take to combat this foreign empire if it was believed to be a big enough threat. Lets say an armada of ships is coming to Italy. They'd build fortifications and trenches and "lilly-pads", they'd array hundreds of scorpions, ballista, etc. They wouldn't engage the Malazans in seabattle because the Romans generally sucked at this kind of warfare, at least untill the late period which I know nothing about.

The Malazan magecadres would open up from out to sea and annihalate all the roman fortifications. ripping up the trenches and punching hole in walls, setting wooden structures afire and generally cause mayhem.[QUOTE]

The Malazan Magecadres would open up and then relize that magic doesn't work on this world....It would be that that point that Agrippa and his fleets would come in from behind them and use their war beaks and napalm to finish the fleet off. The Malazan marines that managed to make it to land would be quickly finished off by the 15 legions that Caesar had used to fortify the coast. Lets not forgett that the legions also had napalm and used it during battles....

-Vengeance feels sorry for the Malazan Army getting lost and coming to a world were magic doesn't work....

[Dancer+]

If we allowed the Malaz to retain it's people in their current state of power, a Dassem Ultor led army could throw back legions of the romans.

[The Crippled God]

It depends who commands the Romans I think, but lets say Agripa vs Dudjek...

[caladanbrood]

I don't think you can really say "Malazans aren't allowed magic or munitions", because that's the two things their army is pretty much based round;)

Malaz wins this one.

[Vengeance]

Sulla, or Gaius Marius I would put all in the same league as Both Wiskeyjack and Dudjek. I would put Julius Caesar and Agrippa in the same league as Dassem Ultor. And just for shit would toss in Alexander the Great into this level of General...Not a roman I know but still....

[Vengeance]

Ok lets say that the battle was being fought on the malazan world. Then might not Caesar be an ascendant or even a god....I mean he did become a god but before he died he would have been considered an Ascendent. And as such on the Malazan world wouldn't the roman army's priest have had direct access to their gods and became magi themselves. Thus partly nulifying the Malazan's reliance on mages. I think that the napalm and field artillery burst would help to even out the malazan munitions. Thus we would be left various legions slugging it out on the battlefield. Thus being were the level of General would come into play....

-Vengeance notes that it is all speculative because Wolverine would beat them all....

[Zanth13]

Well is Malazan vs Rome

so you have to take what we know of the fictional Malazans, against what we know about Rome adding anythig alse is fun for speculations (ie roman gods ect) but There is no real ancient army that could beat the

magic/cusser equipped malazans..

todays armies though... that is another story...

US Marines would destroy Fiddler and his Squad(s) :eek:


SF/Delta/ or the C i a would have to be the ones to take out any mages and ascendants

[Mcflury]

do note that the CIA is not part of the US military... CIA is intelligence agency... a bunch of spies working for the nation, but they're not strictly part of the military I think. (so the CIA is the assassin guild in Darujhistan )

And SF(let's call these the Navy Seals or Green Barrets)/Delta team could idd be asked to take out certain targets, but their kind of fighting is very similar to the way of fighting the malazan marines used on Letherii in RG (off course it is, since both the malazan marines and Navy seals are marines )

So, as I said before: at the end it would come down to number... (well, okay, an M16 rifle is doomed to take out a few 100 men with swords, but you get what I mean )

Also, do not overestimate the forces of the american army... when they're the ones fighting on foreign soil, they tend to make many stupid losses (vietnam, Iraq, Desert storm,...) (well, basically, whoever uses guerilla tactics against the US army is gonna get many US dudes killed)

[Zanth13]

Mcflury;247186 said:

do note that the CIA is not part of the US military... CIA is intelligence agency... a bunch of spies working for the nation, but they're not strictly part of the military I think. (so the CIA is the assassin guild in Darujhistan )

I am aware of this, the CIA part was just thrown in there to indicate who would likely target any uber powerful people from the malazans...not a break down of U.S military history and or doctrine....the cia spies and assassins would be our version of the claw...

Mcflury;247186 said:

And SF(let's call these the Navy Seals or Green Barrets)/Delta team could idd be asked to take out certain targets, but their kind of fighting is very similar to the way of fighting the malazan marines used on Letherii in RG (off course it is, since both the malazan marines and Navy seals are marines )

if said uber powerfuls appeared they would we would likely see a change in uses and tactics by these elites...
Seals are not considered marines(unless you are using a more general term I guess )...they are a more elite specialized force and even being a marine is not a prequesite...you just have to pass the scool/training (not easy)..they ARE part of the Navy just like the marines are...

more then likely (if the airforce was not involved) Infantry and cav would be used against malazan ground forces.

Mcflury;247186 said:

So, as I said before: at the end it would come down to number... (well, okay, an M16 rifle is doomed to take out a few 100 men with swords, but you get what I mean )

a company of trained soldiers could last indeffinetly against soldiers without projectile weapons...the only casualties most likely to army troops would be cussers and the stray quirrel from a crossbow wielder who got close some how...or magic...yeah magic might f*ck them up also

Mcflury;247186 said:

Also, do not overestimate the forces of the american army... when they're the ones fighting on foreign soil, they tend to make many stupid losses (vietnam, Iraq, Desert storm,...) (well, basically, whoever uses guerilla tactics against the US army is gonna get many US dudes killed)

im not gonna touch this subject really... your right about vietnam

Iraq : desert storm and Operation Iraqi freedom: not so much.

edit:
but... If magic could not be overcome, and they did manage to overcome missiles and whatnot then malazan magic would probably overcome modern forces...


regardless Rome loses : -)