[Werthead]

Well, the No-God is a title, not his name (which is Mog-Pharau, though other cultures name him Tsurumah and Mursiris).

'Nonmen' is a curse handed out by the Inrithi church, which demands the annihilation of the species. Their correct name is 'Cunuroi' (from their title for themselves, ji' cunu roi, the People of the Dawn) and the name given to them by mankind is Oserukki.

Kinda handy that the author provides a hundred-page glossary at the end of the series, don't you think

[Yellow]

Paladin is not a fan of the series (to put it mildly), so I don't think he cares how many names the author has come up with.

You're preaching to the No-choir.

[paladin]

the series is fine, dont put words in my mouth.

just in this specific instance i feel he just made things more confusing by using terms like non-men and no-god(especially when i can think of no culture with such a boolean view of things). and sure, things have proper names in the glossary, but they are rarely used if ever in the actual literature. maybe im making things too complicated, but bakker puts plenty of his own philosophizing in the novels making them fairly complicated and convoluted already, so why wouldnt he have some wacky reason for naming these with such odd and confusing names.

[Yellow]

paladin;248129 said:

the series is fine, dont put words in my mouth.

Sorry, I was confusing you with Dolorous menhir.

I don't see the problem, myself. You have men, and non-men (they aren't men). You have gods, and you have the no-god (it's not a god). I don't see how that's confusing.

[paladin]

nevermind.

[Deuce]

I just got into this series and just finished book two. I like it thus far but honestly am going to put off finishing the triology for a little bit. I just have had my fill of Kellhus. His character is over and beyond for me to the point of becoming unbearable. Heh, hopefully my little hiatus from finishing the series will coincide with this next triology so I can continue forward if I find myself interested enough to push pass my growing disdain for Kellhus. Glad to see Bakker making another series on it though. I enjoy the story overall.

[Optimus Prime]

Deuce;248505 said:

I just got into this series and just finished book two. I like it thus far but honestly am going to put off finishing the triology for a little bit. I just have had my fill of Kellhus. His character is over and beyond for me to the point of becoming unbearable. Heh, hopefully my little hiatus from finishing the series will coincide with this next triology so I can continue forward if I find myself interested enough to push pass my growing disdain for Kellhus. Glad to see Bakker making another series on it though. I enjoy the story overall.

Wow...so a fictional character can get to the point where it actually bothers you as much as a real live person could?

I think that, more than anything, speaks of Bakker's skill.

[sinag55]

[QUOTE=Yellow;248284]Sorry, I was confusing you with Dolorous menhir.

I don't see the problem, myself. You have men, and non-men (they aren't men). You have gods, and you have the no-god (it's not a god). I don't see how that's confusing.[/QUOTE]

I'm actually waiting for a Dolorous Menhir post.

Great work pat.

[/QUOTE] The "clomping foot of nerdism" sounds pretty cool. Makes me feel like a bespectacled, buck-toothed Godzilla, building worlds instead of tearing them down. Aaaargh!. [/QUOTE]

Funny...

[No-God]

Just gotta chime in here. Great interview.

The Prince of Nothing is easily my favorite completed series, of any genre. The realism, the pain, and the contrastic grandeur and struggle are just uncomparable in other books. It's amazing, because The Warrior-Prophet reminds me, slightly, of Deadhouse Gates (my favorite single novel). The crucifixion scene in The Warrior-Prophet is the single point in any novel, ever, that has actually floored me.

It's an imperfect world, but these flaws make it perfect through realism. Sure, it's very reliant on the Crusades, but there's so much else going on that it isn't really an issue.

Does anyone know when the first book of the next trilogy (The Judging Eye or The Great Ordeal) is coming out?

[Mentalist]

Hopefully, sometime this summer.
people like Wert of Pat should know more

[pat5150]

January 2009 is what Orbit is saying at the moment. No idea about Penguin Books (Canada) or Overlook (USA)...

Patrick

[No-God]

Eww. Thats a long time from now.

[Slum]

Yeah, but he's got that other one coming out. The techno-medical thing. I don't know, I don't really follow Bakker very closely.

[Optimus Prime]

Looks like more and more authors are coming down with GRRM disease.

[No-God]

Slumgullion Spitteler;256258 said:

Yeah, but he's got that other one coming out. The techno-medical thing. I don't know, I don't really follow Bakker very closely.

You're referring to Neuropath.

[Werthead]

Out in May, yep. Although I'm hoping for a review copy rather sooner than that

[Yellow]

I don't really like the sound of Neuropath, but I may read it anyway. Need. More. Bakker.

[Abyss]

I thought the No-God was a brilliant concept - a thingy so anti-life that when it entered reality, humans stopped reproducing - pffft, no more kids. No destroy the world, no enslave the masses, no rebuild reality in my image silliness... just "Here i am, your race is dead.". The entire notion was so awesome Bakker locked me in right there.

I may wait until the second duo/trilo is done before i purchase, because i found the PoN tril read better as a complete work, but Bakker gets my dollars.

I like the Kellhus-as-No-God theory. I'm curious to see whether Cnaiur and/or Akka are to oppose him in the new series.

Curiously, the thus far minute 3-seas forum seems to struggle between fantasy fans who like the series but can't grapple with the concepts, and fans who are condescending to anyone who doesn't agree with their take on the series.

- Abyss, fan.

[Skywalker]

Abyss;257277 said:

I like the Kellhus-as-No-God theory. I'm curious to see whether Cnaiur and/or Akka are to oppose him in the new series.

Didn't Cnauir die? My memory fails me...

Akka is definitely going to be in the series... the blurb for the first book in The Aspect Emperor is on Amazon.co.uk

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Some twenty years have passed since the events narrated in The Prince of Nothing. Anasurimbor Kellhus now rules all the Three Seas, the first true Aspect-Emperor in a thousand years. The masses worship him as a living god, though a few, the Orthodox, dare claim he's a walking demon. With Proyas and Saubon as his Exalt-Generals, he leads a holy war called the Great Ordeal deep into the wastes of the Ancient North, intent on destroying Golgotterath and preventing the Second Apocalypse. His wife Esmenet, meanwhile, remains in Momemn, where she struggles not only to rule his vast empire, but their murderous children as well. And Achamian, who lives as a Wizard in embittered exile, undertakes a mad quest to uncover the origins of the Dunyain.

[Yellow]

Cnaiur didn't die, but god knows what he's going to be like in the follow up (I'm assuming he'll be in it; he's far too interesting not to be).

I can't wait for the next series. Bakker's been my favourite fantasy author for some time. His stuff feels more real to me than any other fantasy author's, almost as though it's history.

Some people don't like it. Fair enough. It's not perfect, but then I've never read anything that is.