[Ezikeil]

This is a wandering theory but please try and read it all.

The first part Deals with Stormy and Gesler. I know there are all kinds of theories out there and I am going to peice my own together. We know that they have been bathed in the fires from a soletaken Imass Bonecaster.So what was the fires. We know that it was some type of magic. It seems to me that all Elient soletaken have some type of access of Starvald Demelain. It sems to me that they got bathed in thre Warrens/Holds: Starvald Demelain(because it came from a dragon), Kurald Thyrallan, Kurald Liosan, and Tellann. obviously this has changed them. But consider this. No where in the books, that I am aware of, is there any reference to a "human" elient soletaken. It seems to only effect those of the elder races. That may be why L'oric can not change into a dragon, his mom might be a human Ascendant.

Anyways these elder warrens where pushed on humans. I would not be surprised if the magic adapted to the human paths Thyr and Tellas. The paths of light and fire. Again I could be wrong but I am preaty sure there has never ben mentioned any god/goddess sitting on the throne.

Then there is Sinn. This little girl knew that people were alive in Y'gahtan and warped the flames to get the surviviors out. She also destroyed the Ice from the remants of Gothos ritual. And it seemed she did it with ease. Also the mage in Reaper's gale that saw everyone's candle's, can't for the life of me remeber his name and my boss is reading the book right now, never mentioned what "candle" she had nor how brightly it burned.

And Stormy and Gesler game out golden. Everone else turned white because "when you mix them all together you get white" or something like that. It healed all of the BH and made them younger except for the hair. It was an amazing amount of magic. Which begs the question, how much magic is seeped in Stormy and Gesler that after all of that they were still golden afterword?

Where does all lead? I belive that Stormy, Gesler, and Sinn are acending into the House of Fire. Tellas or maybe even Thyr. As gods.


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P.S. best thing that ever happened to my reading was stubeling onto this series

[Clip]

That's an incredible theory and for once I can't find anything bad to say about it. have rep. Will comment more later, need food.

[Aptorian]

I've been trying to remember but you're right, it's hard to come up with a human draconean soletaken. I don't think it's impossible though. Andii aren't that dissimilar to humans. Also human blood isn't the problem, seeing as we have Rud.

Beak specifically says that the stuff Gesler and co go through is an immunesystem paintshop warren that the dragons use, I don't think it was Olar Ethil that had anything to do with it specifically. I do remember the mention of the fires of Thyrlann, tellan and tyr being all mixed up in there though.

Sinn was on the boat with the main force so Beak never had the chance to do the catscan, allthough I think I remember him calling her scary.

[Ezikeil]

Aptorian;235785 said:

don't think it's impossible though. Andii aren't that dissimilar to humans. Also human blood isn't the problem, seeing as we have Rud.

I do not think Rud counts as having a human father. Udinaas had already been taken by the Drakespawn and there blood mixed so he was no longer fully human at that point. I doubt Menandore just chose a random, normal, human to be the father of her son. At that point, if I remeber her corectly he was part human, drake, and Andii

[cerveza_fiesta]

nice theory. I honestly don't remember that much detail, but I can't contradict anything you said either.

I've wondered what the crap Stormy and Gesler's deal was the whole time, and it seems that if SE's kept them around and mentioned their golden skin, etc... for so long then he's got some cool plans for them.

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[Vengeance]

That's a good theory. I believe that there was a part that talked about Imass dancing around Stormy and he was in a fire and the Imass were worshipping him. Can't remember what book it was through.

[Lancelot]

@ Vengeance ~ To quote Apt - Quotes or in never happened!!

P.S. Edit - Nice theory.

[Ezikeil]

Lancelot;235801 said:

@ Vengeance ~ To quote Apt - Quotes or in never happened!!

BH pg 291

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That, he decided, was a dream he would never, ever revisit. Given the choice. Fire, of course, so much fire. Shadowy figures dancing on all sides, dancing around him in fact. Night, snapped at by flames, the drumming of feet, voices chanting in some barbaric, unknown language, and he could feel his soul responding, flaring, burgeoning as if summoned by some ritual.

At which point Gesler realized. They were dancing round a hearth. And he was looking out at them-from the very flame itself. No, he was the flame.

This happed when the drank the jaghut honey Carelbarra

[Rat Mentor]

This should help....

Reapers Gale Page 734...

Kenebs asking Beak about the squads that are "out front"...

Beaks talking...

"Fiddler's the one witht the fiddle who played so sadly in Malaz City? The one with the Deck games in his head? Yes sir, he's there. Gesler and Stormy, they're the Falari ones, but with skins of gold and muscles and all that, the ones who were reforged in the fires of Tellann. Telas, Kurald Liosan, the fires, the ones dragons fly through to gain immunities and other proofs against magic and worse, Yes, they're there too."

Also, don't forget didn't Stormy get badly injured in the Imperial Warren in The Bonehunters, and healed quickly, hang on I'll look it up...

Bonehunters Page 222

Cotillion has been called by Kalam...

'Adjutant Stormy,' Cotillion said, 'is not quite as mortal as he might seem. Annealed in the fires of Thyrllan. Or Kurald Liosan. Or Tellann. Or all three. In any case, as you can see, he's mending already. The broken ribs are completely healed, as is the failing liver and shattered hip. And the cracked skull. Alas, nothing can be done for the brain within it.'

Must make sure the punctuation is correct as in the books, for all you picky bastards out there....

[Vengeance]

Ezikeil;235804 said:

BH pg 291


This happed when the drank the jaghut honey Carelbarra

Thank you that was the one that I was thinking of. I had forgotten that it was Gesler not stormy....

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At which point Gesler realized. They were dancing round a hearth. And he was looking out at them-from the very flame itself. No, he was the flame.

If Gesler is the flame then he has to have taken some position in a House or Hold.

In the Letharii Holds there is a Fulcra (unaligned) called Fire. Fire is also known as one of the Realm Forgers by the Letharii.

It could be that Gesler and/or Stormy has ascended to this position, but judging from the dream it sounds like it was Gesler. Did Stormy dream a similar dream as well?

Another thing about Gesler and Stormy: When Beak did his thing and purified all the marines, Gesler and Stormy weren't immune. They stayed bronzed but now their hair turned to "spun gold". We still dont know the full effects of Beaks magic yet so we can't say what other reactions it had with the magic already in Gesler and Stormy.

[cerveza_fiesta]

clip;236105 said:

If Gesler is the flame then he has to have taken some position in a House or Hold.

In the Letharii Holds there is a Fulcra (unaligned) called Fire. Fire is also known as one of the Realm Forgers by the Letharii.

It could be that Gesler and/or Stormy has ascended to this position, but judging from the dream it sounds like it was Gesler. Did Stormy dream a similar dream as well?

Another thing about Gesler and Stormy: When Beak did his thing and purified all the marines, Gesler and Stormy weren't immune. They stayed bronzed but now their hair turned to "spun gold". We still dont know the full effects of Beaks magic yet so we can't say what other reactions it had with the magic already in Gesler and Stormy.

they pee beer now.

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I totally agree with the stormy gesler ascension thing though. It makes sense given the dreams (which I totally forgot about til the quote was posted above) and their various immunities. Have we seen either of them seriously hurt since they were "annealed" indicating further immunities? Somebody posted some stuff about them healing fast, but I can't remember what part that was. Hoow did they get hurt?

[Coco with marshmallows]

remember what happened to Truth though,

they CAN die, even in flames.

[Mentalist]

cerveza_fiesta;236119 said:

they pee beer now.

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I totally agree with the stormy gesler ascension thing though. It makes sense given the dreams (which I totally forgot about til the quote was posted above) and their various immunities. Have we seen either of them seriously hurt since they were "annealed" indicating further immunities? Somebody posted some stuff about them healing fast, but I can't remember what part that was. Hoow did they get hurt?

In the Imperial warren, while spying on the Moon Spawns, QB and Stormy had a bad fall.
Cotillion had to heal QB, but Stormy self-healed, as was pointed out by Cotillion...

[Zendog13]

Truth was holding a smegload of explosives when he ran into the flames. Now, if we take "annealed in the fires of..." part as getting a tad..."magicked up" then we might safely say that there is a certain amount of err..magic about them. And knowing what we do about how moranth munitions react with magic (not well as a certain Silchas Ruin discovered) then it is not all that surprising that Truth did not survive said encounter.
Stormy and Gesler are still going to be damn hard to kill, though they probably are not nigh indestructible....yet. If magic rubs off on them then they will have changed more. This is something that is being discussed in the Fidder/Paran section. Powers in flux and all that.

[Mentalist]

NOTHING in the world of Malaz is indestructible...

just throwing that out there, to stem some of the wildest speculations. One of the lesson we learn is that anyone can be killed in MBotF. it's easier for some, harder for others, EVERYONE is mortal.

[Sinisdar Toste]

lets not forget, and i believe it was legana breed, who mentioned that stormy is a shield anvil. SA of Tellan? Telas? Thyrllan?

[Ezikeil]

Sinisdar Toste;236172 said:

lets not forget, and i believe it was legana breed, who mentioned that stormy is a shield anvil. SA of Tellan? Telas? Thyrllan?

That was way back in DG right?

I thought about taking that path in my theory but for some reason it does not quite seem right. Why would they be worshiping Gesler in BH if he is only like the Mortal Sword and Stormy is the Sheild Anvil.

I do not have all of the books in front of me but I do not think Erikson ever explain who sits in the High House of Light, other than Osserc and he is only the Champion

[Sinisdar Toste]

umm cant remember the book. thought it was BH. either way it was said.

concerning the mortal sword/shield anvil thing, i think the way it is set up is that a destriant is the high priest/commander in chief and the mortal sword is the commander of the armies and the shield anvil... well the job description of a SA seems to be absorb pain. either way i dont think that any one title takes precedence over the other, unless its destriant over the other two.

[flea]

Rat Mentor;235805 said:

"Adjunct Stormy, Cotillion said, is not quite as mortal as he might seem. Annealed in the fires of Thyrllan. Or Kurald Liosan. Or Tellann. Or all three. In any case, as you can see, he's mending already. The broken ribs are completely healed, as is the failing liver and shattered hip. And the cracked skull. Alas, nothing can be done for the brain within it."

This is definitely one of my favorite quotations in the series.