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Here is what I think the evolutionary tree of the species of Wu would look like, If anybody has any input I would love to hear it.

This is mostly about that original species of Wu, not the others that since came (the ones under "others")

The light gray lines denote possible connections, in the case of the Jaghut/Jhag to Trell connection it means that either the Jaghut or the Jhag might have bred with the TTT to make Trell

[Mentalist]

Other Descendants of TTT are Tartheno
For Imass--Moranth (same level as the Barghast), and the Trell
Jaghut, FA, and KCCM ARE native to Wu... in fact, they were before most everyone else
can also put in TTT+Jaghut=Jhag

[Dolorous Menhir]

Looks pretty good, but you are missing the TTT-Barghast connection (Barghast are the product of both Imass Ritual-missers and their TTT friends). I agree with your decision to leave out the other races, since they are largely unconnected with the human or near-human races. (Can't remember, are the Moranth actually of part-Edur blood or did they just learn their armaments from a remnant Edur population without any interbreeding?)

There are tons of other TTT derivatives, like the Trell and the Tartheno, but it would be nitpicking to include all of them, and many of them just appear to be different regional names for the Fenn.

Maybe the Nerek deserve a different evolutionary branch from the Imass-Human chain? I thought the Nerek might be the purest Eres stock, perhaps branching straight from them.

edit: you should be able to post the image directly in the thread, like Werthead does with his maps.

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@ kud13: although the FA may or may not be native to Wu, there is a consensus that KCCM/NR are not native to Wu, and came from elsewhere, perhaps bringing/creating Jaghut with them.
And although we know that Icarium is part TTT, there is no mention that all Jhag are of the same crossing, from what I understand the term "Jhag" refers to any cross-breed with a Jaghut parent.

@ Dolorous Menhir, yes there are far too many TTT variants to include them all, thank you. As for the Moranth, they got there weapons after making peace with the Edur they were fighting on their ships and got there tech from them, I'm pretty sure there's no interbreeding.
Thanks for bringing up the Nerek, they do seem to be another offshoot of the Eres, with their legend of the Eres'al. But that also brings up the Shake, now they are part Tiste Andii, but what are they also, is it human, nerek, Imass, TTT?


I'll try to put the this directly into the post as well.

Thanks

[Trotts]

Can't seem to open the file

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I made the original with paint on a high school computer, so be patient and I'll create one using photoshop and it will be displayed on the post

[Trotts]

Ill be patient...but I wont like it!

[Mr.Warren]

i was under the impression that barghast had imass and TTT blood in them.....?

[polishgenius]

Why are humans coming off the branch of Imass while the Barghast come off the T'lan? Doesn't T'lan simply denote the undead status of the Imass, which the Barghast obviously didn't descend from? I reckon the T'lan Imass, Barghast, and Humans should all be descending from Imass, or do I need a reread?

Also, where would I find the indication that the TTT come from Eres? I missed that one completely. Also the implication that Jaghut and KCCM came from anywhere else but Wu originally...

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correction coming up about the Barghast coming from the T'lan Imass

as to the KCCM and Jaghut coming from elsewhere I believe it was on a BH thread, I can't remember which, but it is my impression that the KCCM came from another world, and that the original sentient species in Wu were the Eres. If you can prove me wrong it would be great.
But the reason I have put them under others is that they aren't connected with the other species of Wu, evolutionary speaking.

[Aptorian]

A KCCM world is mentioned in RG but I thought Jaghut were native to Wu, otherwise why wouldn't they just return to OP and seal the gates forever when the wars began with the Imass.

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fixed barghast, and as for the Jaghut I was under the impression that they were a species either brought with or created by the KCCM

[Flawed]

clip;209919 said:

Here is what I think the evolutionary tree of the species of Wu would look like, If anybody has any input I would love to hear it.

This is mostly about that original species of Wu, not the others that since came (the ones under "others")

Theloman Toblaki were a by product of engineering. Something that one of the elde races created from Imass and something else to create workers or some such.

There extra bits and peices were the clue for me on this and their distinc difference.

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That is the first I've heard of the Theloman Toblakai being created, the only thing I've heard that had anything to do with that is that maybe the Jaghut were created by the KCCM, but not the Theloman Toblakai.

[Puck]

I'm pretty much sure the Jaghut are native to Wu, though I don't have any quotes.
But the KCCM are clearly stated as beeing invaders, who were too busy invading Wu to create other races. They tried later, got the KCCN and a civil war.
Ah, and in HoC I got the impression the Deragoth did kind of domesticate the Eres. Does this matter?

[End of Disc One]

Leoman: 'Your(Karsa's) kind walked this earth when the T'lan Imass were still flesh. From your blood came the Barghast and the Trell. You are Thelomen Toblakai.'(HoC, UK MMPB, p.262-3)

Shouldn't the Barghast somehow be under Thelomen Toblakai?

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thanks for the quote, I'll put a connection in

[Euron Crowseye]

What about when in MT Iron Bars goes to the dead Azath house, and then calls the Sarenghl(sp) Tarentho Toblakai. Where do they fit on the chart.

[polishgenius]

The Sereghal (sp) are TTT ascendants, not a seperate race.

[Euron Crowseye]

polishgenius;210344 said:

The Sereghal (sp) are TTT ascendants, not a seperate race.

So its Tarentho Theloman Toblakai, not Theloman Toblakai?