[Zanth13]

Dolorous Menhir;212064 said:

Kruppe's just a really intelligent human with moderate magical skill and a one-of-a-kind mind.

No way.. there is something else to him... not saying he isnt human but something is special about him besides just being hella smart... even if it was Krul who prtotected him from Brood... Which Im not sure would be possible in Kruls weekend state.

[Imperium Corruo]

Well isn't it implied through out our dealings with Kruppe and elsewhere that K'rule is in fact awakening if not continually regaining his previous strength?

I took this as a measure of just how powerful K'rul actually is by this time.

[Zanth13]

I also thought it said he was weekend.

IE
when He is protecting the people from the Kchain he seems like he wished he could do more but couldnt because of his weekend state

[Silencer]

But then, K'rul is focusing his power through Kruppe and his dreamworld - so therefore he may be able to bring more power to bear, and also there was the case of the mule - the one who is always sleeping during the important events.....that is secretly K'rul listening in........
It was almost certainly K'rul's intervention, as otherwise Kruppe would simply have walked up to the Crippled God and stabbed him by now.

[End of Disc One]

Kruppe would simply have walked up to the Crippled God and stabbed him by now.

You sir, have predicted the major anti-climax at the end of Book 10.

[Silander]

My point about the fat man was that he isn't extremely powerful at magic, but just really smart. I reckon he has a lot of fingers in alot of pies, just like Quick Ben, in fact even more so i would say given that he doesn't have a unit to serve with. It might have been a show for every one but I might be wrong. How would the two be connected? Well Everybody is taking sides. I mean I reckon Kruppe is working for himself but he certainly seems like the type who would want to help save the world. MAybe he found out how desperate Burn is and met with Brood thru proxy or in another guise? In any case one of the central themes involves the Chained one poisoning Burn and brood has that choice she gave him.... Perhaps they are working closely but to throw others off the trail they put on that show?

[Flawed]

Beefcake;211998 said:

@Witan:
Personally I don't like the idea of Kruppe just being K'rul's front man. Mostly because Keruli already occupies that particular position.

I thought Keruli was Krul?

Anyhow..

Balance. One of the major parts of the books. Now we know there are sleeping old ladies dotted this way and that holding entire realms within them. Such as the Maybhe.

Perhaps in the long absence of Krul other balance had to be redressed. Perhaps there is a bunch or " awake " men roaming around specifically in each realm making it all tick. Its all very well having a vessel for something but if you don't have a plug it'll all spill out.

Kruppe could be a " waking man ". The balance to the realms as they are created. With his superior intellect and ability to negate power within his given realm he is like a First aider healing this way and that.

Wild theory? Most certainly.

[Urb]

@Flawed
Wild theories are always welcome

As for Keruli = K'rul; there seem to be several references to Keruli being a priest of the elder god K'rul. Also K'rul met with Lady Envy while Keruli was in (or on his way to?) Capustan.

[Flawed]

Yeah and when the Capustan representatives met with Dujek and Brood etc they uncovered Keruli then and there as Krul.

Didnt they?

[ch'arlz]

Flawed;212925 said:

Yeah and when the Capustan representatives met with Dujek and Brood etc they uncovered Keruli then and there as Krul.

Didnt they?

Yes they did. There was some discussion awhile ago whether the Keruli manifestation of K'rul is a K'rul Lite since he seems to be busy in several places at once, or just a weakened K'rul.

[Shurque's biatch]

Beefcake;211998 said:

@Silander:
About the notion of Brood and Kruppe putting on a show; could you elaborate on any particular motive? I'm not so certain Brood could actually estimate the powers Kruppe had at his disposal. Granted that is my very subjective opinion.

I am almost positive that there is a conversation between WJ and QB about Kruppe putting on a show to put Kallor in his place. Can't remember where it is though..

Dang time for another reread.

[Dolorous Menhir]

ch said:

Yes they did. There was some discussion awhile ago whether the Keruli manifestation of K'rul is a K'rul Lite since he seems to be busy in several places at once, or just a weakened K'rul.

I thought the scene where Keruli attended the meeting of the coalition powers and said "Hi, I'm K'rul" was pretty definitive.

[Urb]

Ah.. my bad

[ch'arlz]

Dolorous Menhir;212963 said:

I thought the scene where Keruli attended the meeting of the coalition powers and said "Hi, I'm K'rul" was pretty definitive.

This is the thread I was refering to:
http://www.malazanworld.com/forums/showthr...6520#post206520

[Silander]

A wild theory but brilliantly funny none the less. "The waking man", like the waiting man (Bugg) but his awake, I dunno for some reason I find that HI lar-ious.

[Silander]

Sorry only noticed that question about any theories I have on what Kruppe is up to. Quite honestly I don't know but it's more than just happenstance that Kruppe happened to end up hangin out with all the major players like Rake and WJ with everyone else hanging out: Silverfox, Korlat, The Mhybe, Brood, gods the list goes on, so it's the place to be. Also he in with the trygald so there might be some advantage to that, apart from making him invaluable to the army on the march, perhaps some kinda "Warren watching"?
They certainly are heading into the heartland of an area suffering from manipulations of the Chained one.
The sicker Burn gets the harder it is to use the Warrens so he would definitely would be interested in investigating that but he really seems to come at things sideways.
I'm still finding it hard to fathom that a guy like Brood, a man who places so much value on the notion of tactics would take a swipe at him for no good reason...I know he has a temper and all.

[Chris]

Kruppe's mule is Burn. I spent some time looking and couldn't find this idea in any posts. Quick Ben meets with the Witch of Tennes in Pale early on in MoI. He asks why Burn sleeps and learns that Burn "sleeps to dream." Col and Murillio discuss Kruppe's mule and mention that it is always asleep, even while walking, during one of their conversations while guarding the Mhybe. Finally, when Kruppe asks Silverfox to accompany her to the Second Gathering, she asks who else would witness the Second Gathering through Kruppe and his mule. Kruppe assures her that mule's "capaciy for sleep -- in no matter what the circumstances -- is boundless, unaffected and indeed, admirable." Silverfox replies "Sleep, is it? No doubt, to dream."

Kruppe's mule as Burn also explains Kruppe's surviving Brood's outburst where he strikes the earth with his hammer and creates a new mountain range. Burn is the earth and is able to protect Kruppe from Brood's unleashing of her power through the hammer. Also, we know Burn has reason to be angry with Brood for his refusal to rid her of the poison caused by the Crippled God's Chaining. Burn shows her anger with Brood when Kruppe's mule kicks at Brood after his outburst at Kruppe.

[pastures]

Chris, my man, you are a genius. I joined up just to say that.

[tharinock]

remember, when kruppe made a show of being affected by otataral, he could have been faking it. why bother letting people know that you have uber magic when they don't ask questions thinking you are just a fat freak. Mockra is supposed to be some fragment of the shadow warren, if i remember correctly. maybe kruppe found another piece similar to mockra that he keeps hidden under his mattress? He certainly has the brains to do it. Also, with brains like Kruppe it is true that it is not necessary to have powerful magic to achieve much. there are efficient ways to solve things using little magic. for example, maybe kruppe did not divert Brood's blow. maybe a light touch of mockra at the right moment caused Brood to have a slight hesitation at jus the right moment, causing him to miss.

[Aptorian]

tharinock;231304 said:

remember, when kruppe made a show of being affected by otataral, he could have been faking it. why bother letting people know that you have uber magic when they don't ask questions thinking you are just a fat freak. Mockra is supposed to be some fragment of the shadow warren, if i remember correctly. maybe kruppe found another piece similar to mockra that he keeps hidden under his mattress? He certainly has the brains to do it. Also, with brains like Kruppe it is true that it is not necessary to have powerful magic to achieve much. there are efficient ways to solve things using little magic. for example, maybe kruppe did not divert Brood's blow. maybe a light touch of mockra at the right moment caused Brood to have a slight hesitation at jus the right moment, causing him to miss.

Of course, Kruppe was going to let all his friends die, so that they didn't discover he wasn't affected by ottataral... genious

Also. That hammer made a small mountain in the Daru hills or where ever it was. You could argue that the real reaction first appeared miles away from the impact of the hammer, but I don't think Mocra was going to save anyone within wide range of the hammer.