[Zanth13]

I thought it would be interesting to see what powers the various ascendants have shown through out the books, because obviously not all gods and ascendants have the same skills and powers. Not saying that this is there limits, just what we have seen so far, please add or fix anything that you deem fit.

Anomander Rake
- transform into a dragon (comes from the blood of Tiam)
- Can transform his body, at least to look more human. (as seen when he visited the segulah as well Envy said he spend 200 years disguised as a human guard)
- Can launch massive magical attacks (as seen at pale)
- Can unleash Starvald D. (I’m going to assume that was different from what he used at pale)
- Can levitate (as seen at pale)
- Can sense power levels maybe more (as seen when he quested towards Quick Ben)
- Can travel using his warrens, can do large scale travel to it seems (transported Moonspawn to Coral)

Shadowthrone
- Can travel fast if not instantly, can also teleport people it seems. (seen when he transported Fiddler and Kalam ect at the end of DG, also Quick into the Throne room of shadow)
- Can heal (as seen on Trull and Company)
- Can mutate people (as seen with the Cyclops kid)
- Can do illusions (as seen with the throne on DA I think)
- Can summon the hounds of shadow
- Has power of some demons (seen when he let Kalam use some shadow demons which he fed to the deragoth)

Cotillion the Rope
- Can travel fast if not instantly using shadow (seen how he shows up all over the place)
- Can go invisible at least to most creatures (seen when he left the Cyclops kid and when he killed the Edur)
- Has that crazy ass rope that can slice and dice as well as elongate Itself. (seen on against Edur as well as lowering Kalam into that hole)
- Can possess people (seen as sorry)
- He cannot heal, as seen when he calls shadowthrone to do it
- Can summon the hounds of shadow

Silchas Ruin (I think he doesn’t have the complexity with magic like rake does because he was in isolation when magic seemed to evolve unlike his brother)

- Can turn into a dragon (again because of Tiam)
- Can force blast people (seen against Onrack)
- Can shoot out Starvald D. (at least as a dragon he can)

Lady Envy
- Can put people to sleep (seen against Mok)
- Can shoot some awesome energy blast, she doesn’t seem to tire from it either (seen against pannion)
- Can heal (seen with the BBs at coral)

Sister Spite
-Can transform into Dragon (possible from Tiam, not sure though)

Crippled God
- Can access chaos and let his people do the same (seen with edur)
- Only known god to create life I believe (not on purpose but the magic eating crows)
- Can force push-pull people (seen against quick ben)
- Can invest magic into items (rhulad’s sword)
- Apparently can communicate with almost anyone (all his allies he has, I'm assuming they didn’t go to him for a job)

Oponn
-can fast travel, as well as sneak (seen in D-town)
- Can invest good luck magic into items (seen in the coin and Paran’s sword)

Caladan Brood
- Can Destroy the planet (wake burn)
- Can jack things up with his hammer, except Kruppe (seen used against Kruppe)
- Can heal (not seen but mentioned I believe)

Hood
- Can Resurrect (seen with Paran and Baudin)
- Fast Travel
- Interact with the dead (seen with Beak and Toc)
- Can control/punish people when they die (mentioned in RG)

Gothos (possible not an ascendant but close enough)
- Can create glaciers across continents (pretty common for Jaghut but seen in MT.)
- Can freeze an area in time as well, stopping death and evolution/change from happening correctly (seen used in Lether)
- Can make Finnest (guessing it’s a Jaghut thing but he puts Scabby’s soul in one)

Mael/bugg
- Can heal (seen with Tehol)
- Can fast travel (seen when he was trapped)
- Can Blast people with sound and teleport them to his warren (seen against the Edur)
- Can make any object edible lol.
- Can flood stuff

Paran
- able to enter any warren/house he chooses at any time
- Can communicate with ascendants at any time (seen with shadowthrone)
- Is a Were hound of shadow(probably looks like the dude from Underworld when he turns)
- Can do some voodoo like stuff by making a card of something (seen against CG’s Condors)

Quick Ben (not an Ascendant but has the power level of some it seems)
- Can shapes shift (mentioned by Shadowthrone in GOTM)
- Can magically blast people (using 12 warrens at once seen in GOTM and against KB and Bauchalain) after his encounter with iccy can have even stronger blast and do more of it (he was maxed after after blasting KB and Bauch just twice but blasted the shit out of the 3 sisters in RG.)
- Can soul shift (seen used on Hairlock) (if he can reverse it then he could be Pinocchio’s best friend, who needs Gemini Cricket.)
- Can fast travel using Warrens
- Travel with just his soul into warrens
- Control multiple warrens (to many powers to list completely)

[Rat Mentor]

I think that Shadowthrone and Cotillion use Gates accessed from the Azath to travel around so quickly. Probably why Shadowthrone asked permission to use the gate into SD...

[Shurque's biatch]

- Only known god to create life I believe (not on purpose but the magic eating crows)

I am pretty sure this was parts of him that got transformed into lesser creatures...

Maybe it was the germs on his body that got unstable mutation on them like when Trent zapped Bink...


OK, OK! sorry for the Xanth reference.

[Zanth13]

It was always described as the maggots that turned into Crows so IMO

A: Normal Maggots were transformed by his blood (which would mean he didnt create life from nothing just mutated something already alive)

B: The Maggots and crows came from his flesh (making a living independant creature who from what we have seen so far is free from the CG's controll)
But then again maybe he just hasnt called on them yet.

[Aptorian]

Kru'll
Can make people Soletaken
Can create dream worlds
Made the warrens/houses
Scoured an entire continent clean
Curses people?

[Lancelot]

Paran

Can travel pretty much anywhere as long as he can draw it!(Azath houses, dragnipur etc)
Cunning enough to kill other ascendants(poleil)
Can shapeshift into some sort of beast hound (Hounds blood)
Possibly call on the hounds(as above)

And regarding Broods healing qualities, he heals R'ath Burns broken arms when she tries to carry his hammer(MOI?).

[Abyss]

The CG brought Sandalath back to life. (Or DID he?!?!?!)

ST and Cot can make things out of shadowstuff. The Rope's rope is actually that, iirc.

ST used Rashan, Thyr and Mokra along with Meanas in TB. He didn't mutate the cyclops kid tho, that was Apt.

Strife used SD in the ritual to release Dejim.

Oponn has the whole push/pull thing going on, and can link to both people and items.

Rake and Ruin, imnsho, will have similar powers re KG and SD, tho perhaps not the same levels. If we wanted to be picky, Ruin, having 'drank deeper' may have more SD (first person to start a 'ho'd win' gets their brainz passed thru a cheescloth).

Envy implied that if she kissed Toc, she would have control of his mind (and not just in a 'whoa, she's hot!' sort of way).

- Abyss, can pass brainz thru cheesecloth.

[Boulder]

Abyss;206740 said:

The CG brought Sandalath back to life. (Or DID he?!?!?!)

Err no, not really
Sandalath wasn't really dead. Well, she was but her spirit hadn't passed thru Hood's Gate due to Gothos's ritual. So the CG only had to recreate her body and stick the spirit back in.

Unless you meant that some other god did it, and CG just claimed responsibility. Interesting...

[Dolorous Menhir]

Boulder;206895 said:

Err no, not really
Sandalath wasn't really dead. Well, she was but her spirit hadn't passed thru Hood's Gate due to Gothos's ritual. So the CG only had to recreate her body and stick the spirit back in.

Unless you meant that some other god did it, and CG just claimed responsibility. Interesting...

Not sure about the relevance of Gothos's Ritual. If I remember right, Sandalath was available for resurrection because she was killed by the KCCM in the initial battle. All the Andii killed in the Edur betrayal became shadow wraiths and so were tied to the Tiste Edur, but she went to wherever dead Andii go. She died before Gothos began the ritual, a short time before the MT/RG prologues, so I don't think the ritual had any hold over her - she was already dead.

[Zanth13]

Ruin seemed to have very barbaric, simple powers whilest Rake seemed to have adaptible multi purpose magic, he was described as an Arch Mage in GOTM but that might be GOTMism, and we might not have seen all of Ruins power, I guess we might find out later.

Didnt Envy control the segulah too, or did that turn out that they just let her because they had the same goals.

I guess my mistake about the cylcops kid, I thought it was Shadowthrone who change him.

Shadowthrone was a highmage before ascending so I guess he still has access to all of his powers from before... did they ever say what warren or warrens he used?

[sphish]

I think Abyss meant Spite instead of Strife, when he referred to the release of Dejim Nebrahl, for anyone who may be confused.

[Boulder]

Dolorous, you are quite right of course, Sandalath would have died at the same time as the rest of the Andii. It just made sense that that would be the reason her spirit remained 'in play'. Wonder what the real explaination is? Anyone?

As for the Aportain's cyclops kid, that was Shadowthrone; the demon just gave the instructions. Guess that means ST has got High Denul? Unless its another of those 'illusion made real' jobs.

Rake was described as the Archmage of the Tiste Andii in GotM, but they don't really explain what they mean by that. I guess his powers are more sophisticated than Ruin's because he has been free to use them for 300,000 or so years whilst Ruin is stuck in the Azath, so Ruin is still on the Hold-style of brute force.

[ch'arlz]

xanth13;206903 said:

Didnt Envy control the segulah too, or did that turn out that they just let her because they had the same goals.

I believe she actually used the word 'enslaved.'

-ch'arlz

[Dolorous Menhir]

xanth13;206903 said:

Ruin seemed to have very barbaric, simple powers whilest Rake seemed to have adaptible multi purpose magic, he was described as an Arch Mage in GOTM but that might be GOTMism, and we might not have seen all of Ruins power, I guess we might find out later.

"Archmage" seems to have been dropped after that one use, but we can still use it as a way of saying "Rake's power is simply exceptional".

Ruin is different because he's been stuck underground. Rake has over 300,000 years of experience and sophistication on him, and the advantage of knowing the modern systems of magic. Ruin is ignorant of that stuff, he has no idea what Mockra is, for example.

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Didnt Envy control the segulah too, or did that turn out that they just let her because they had the same goals.

Oh, they were definitely under her control. The Seguleh were sent there on a specific mission, and they aren't the types to sign up into the service of some ascendant when they have better things to be doing. They were just unfortunate enough to stumble across her on their way to the Pannion Domin. There did seem to be hints that controlling them was consuming a considerable portion of Envy's power, and that it was putting her under a strain.

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Shadowthrone was a highmage before ascending so I guess he still has access to all of his powers from before... did they ever say what warren or warrens he used?

Not sure if it's ever been explicitly mentioned, but I thought it was obvious that Kellanved was a High Mage of Meanas/Rashan. Whether the healing abilities he displays in BH stem from his ascendancy or he had them prior to that is unknown. Since Cotillion has no healing powers by his own admission, I would guess that it is not a benefit of ascendancy and that Kellanved was also a user of Denul during his mortal life.

[Zanth13]

@D. Menhir agreed about Rake/Ruin thats what I was thinking as well.

Though the Errant seems to be way more then just the slash and bash hold magic. Did he read feather witch's mind about when she lost her virginity or did he know from some other way??

Healing might be a perk that King of High House shadow recieved but not the rope....

Since Shadowthrone is part of high house shadow, would that intefer with his other warrens.....They might take shadow creeping into there domain as a personal affront.