[Jimmy]

I wonder wot Mael ended up doing to him?

[Dancer+]

It was probably just along the lines of a good talking to or a beating that had no lasting effects (like Mael on the Crippled God). One of the two most likely.

[snoopster]

My guess is something to put him out of the picture for a while and hurt him - having nearly cost Tehol, is life when he tried to capture Mael and having actually cost Trull his life I get the impersion he had enough of him interfering.

[Bika]

Still, after reading that Mael went to beat the living snot out of the CG, then the same to the Errant, it would be really nice to actually read in some detail about the next beating mael decides to hand out

[King_Grome]

Can't remember but doesnt Mael even say himself that the Errant is only taken out of the picture for a while?

[Flawed]

Jimmy;200474 said:

I wonder wot Mael ended up doing to him?

I think the Errant was significantly reduced in power or effect since he was half blinded. If you notice he has to actually be in the vicinity of whoever he's nudging now.

I expect Mael probably defecated all over his Alter or some jazz like that.

" Nudge that! " Strained Mael as he neatly placed last nights Sole of Sandal Soup and Cream of Banana salad dinner onto the age worn Vestibule.

[Lisheo]

Lmao thats amusing and disturbing Flawed... I reckon Mael probably beat the bejesus out of him. Imagine, your once the God of Fate, master of the Holds, then you get your eye gouged out by some weirdo, and then, to top it all of, a manservant beats you senseless... Ok ill admit ive failed to say that the aforementioned manservant is an Elder God of ridiculous power, but still!!

[Locke Reaper]

hopefully mael beat him to within an inch of his miserable existance so that paran can tear him a new one without breaking a sweat!

[Seed]

Ascendants and Gods are out for each others power, this power usually embodied and contained within the blood of the ascendant. When they start interferring on Wu it's like blood in the water for sharks. Power attracts power, leading to convergence. Beings of power seem to have this inbuilt need for dominance and ascendance of those of equivalent power. They're quite happy to subsume the power of a fallen foe. Mael is hardly a picky eater (look at buggs culinary prowess!) I'd say the Errant was rendered unto bloody chunks and devoured, his lifesblood poured over the altar the Errant himself (re)found perhaps.

Something gives me a feeling that since Mael took the Errant out of the picture it's going to give Paran some elbow room should he choose that direction (godhood) for growth. The Errant was the equivalent of the Master of the Deck for the Holds in time past. He's (paran) got a good hold on oponn, we might see the birth of a new god of fortune, fate, luck and circumstance before the series is out.

[Lisheo]

If the Deck of Dragons is merely a sort of subsidary of the Holds, an evolved but lesser version, as it seems to be hinted, then wouldnt the Errant have also had full control of all of the deck too? I cant see Mael killing him. Its not his style.

[Flawed]

Lisheo;205192 said:

If the Deck of Dragons is merely a sort of subsidary of the Holds, an evolved but lesser version, as it seems to be hinted, then wouldnt the Errant have also had full control of all of the deck too? I cant see Mael killing him. Its not his style.

The whole killing thing is a bit of a no no if you are an elder god. Mainly because they are causes and effects that are required for balance.

As i said in my ealier post Mael probably just made him eat humble pie. A stinky humble Pie.

The Errant apparantly was the origional master of the holds but ascended to become a god. Leaving the position free.

[Lisheo]

Oh, I see, so thats how Kuru Qan got the position...
The Errant is just the Elder God of chance.
Ooo lucky him he gave up massive power to be a slightly cooler Oponn..

[Flawed]

Kuru Qan was just a Master Mage, he didnt have any position that i was aware of.

[Lisheo]

I thought the Errant mentioned that Qan had become the Master of The Holds? Im not sure tho.

[Flawed]

Oh, well i dont remember now. Im not a confident chap, stop it!!!



Im going to do a re read i think of reapers, ive readi it once and of course it was good but i think i ned to pick out the best bits and eice it all together

[Aptorian]

Lisheo;205192 said:

If the Deck of Dragons is merely a sort of subsidary of the Holds, an evolved but lesser version, as it seems to be hinted, then wouldnt the Errant have also had full control of all of the deck too? I cant see Mael killing him. Its not his style.

The deck of dragons isnt a lesser "system" of magic than the tiles of the holds were. It took me a long time accepting it, but bt the end of RG it's clear that we're supposed to think of the houses as a better system than the holds.

The holds were primitive conduits of powerfull magic, it wasn't very nuanced but it got the job done. Back then the power available also seems mustly racially aspected.

The warrens of the houses seem more varried and easier to acces. Remember Ruin remarking, something in the lines of "Mocra? what the hell is that?! we didn't have stuff like that when I was around." Magic has evolved and mages like Quick can run rings around a holdsmage. The reason to why holds seem so awesome compared to the human accessable stuff is that we've seen it used in rituals and weavings - the big complicated stuff.

On a side note I wonder what the hell went on when Errant punched that bloody knife into the tiles in the Cedance? I haven't done a reread, but my guess is that Paran fell off his horse when the Errant did that, maybe not litterally but it can't have been good. I wonder why the Malazan mages didn't seem to pick up on that move.

[BridgeBurner]

Aptorian;205248 said:

On a side note I wonder what the hell went on when Errant punched that bloody knife into the tiles in the Cedance? I haven't done a reread, but my guess is that Paran fell off his horse when the Errant did that, maybe not litterally but it can't have been good. I wonder why the Malazan mages didn't seem to pick up on that move.

Why do you think that should affect Paran? Those tiles weren't related to any of the Houses, and they weren't Cards.

[Lisheo]

I was thinking more along the lines that the Deck of Dragons is probably the new form of the Eleint Hold, even if it is more powerful, it still wouldnt have the entire scope of the Holds would it? Which is why its missing the cards representing the FA, Silchas, Tiam etc

[Ereko]

It's only now that Silchas has become an active player in the world again so I would assume he would take on some role in the deck of dragons.

I don't see why Tiam would have a card in the deck of dragons as she isn't integral to anything going on atm so why would she be in the deck, same goes for the FA.

[Lisheo]

Its more that even the cards representing them are gone, no longer existing, but yeah youve got a point there! But take the Errant, unless hes going to challenge Parans mastery of the deck, or Oponns mastery of being useless, hes got no position at all. What Im trying to say, is that the deck of dragons lacks the completion of the Holds. Even when Tiam was inactive she had a Tile. Krul had one. He has no position now, although hes still active. It just strikes me that the Holds somehow encompassed more, for example they had Tiles for Envy and Spite, who are most definatly active still.