[amphibian]

Zanth13, on Jul 25 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

more interesting news

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...44&name=mma

Dana Talking Tito, Affliction and Fedor... in an interview yesterday.

Tito is supposedly back and probably will be on a November card. His back surgery meant that he just started training again a couple weeks ago.

Fedor still has a long term contract with M-1, as well as one fight left on his Affliction contract. I'll go along with the flow of some people I respect and say that we'll see him go up against Werdum or Rogers in Strikeforce and not in the UFC.

[Zanth13]

one fight on his affiction contract could be owned by UFC soon, if im not mistaken...Affliction is done, and strikeforce is not guaranteed the contracts...

especially if White plans on capitalizing on the 2 big names before they can suffer a any big loss. .....

he might use this to buy out Fedors name...

and honestly i hope so... he deserves to be in UFC where he can be mainstream.

[Zanth13]

Contest....

Which will be the next champ to be dethroned!!!!!!

If BJ Penn can survive Ken Flo then

My guess... if Fedor comes over, it will probably be Brock, Anderson Silva and GSP are almost out of good competition in there weight classes... and anything can happend but i dont think Shogun can beat Machida... the guy hasnt lost a single round in the UFC...let alone come close to losing a fight.

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[amphibian]

Zanth13, on Jul 27 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

Contest....

Which will be the next champ to be dethroned!!!!!!

It may just be the fan-boy in me, but I don't see any of the non-heavyweight champions losing for the next year at least. That's an absolute murderer's row of champions there.

Lesnar's the most vulnerable - a significant threat (more so than Mir) will be up in the form of Cain or Shane within the year. I still think Big Nog could take him.

Anderson's probably going to retire first. Marquardt's the best threat in there now - as dreamy as Maia's grappling is, but that's it pretty much until Leites finds his heart again. If the 195 division opens up, Silva might move there or a bunch of guys from 205 might move down to avoid Machida. Mousasi would be a very credible threat to Machida in the next year. Jon Jones in two years is going to be an absolute beast.

Other than Fitch and Alves, I don't see anyone else in the UFC at 170 making a credible title run. Nick Diaz needs to sharply improve his wrestling and never fight below 170 again, but otherwise has the skill package to possibly threaten GSP.

Penn should wipe the mat with Florian. Sanchez is going to be the biggest 155 he'll face, but he should get by him as well. Aoki, Alvarez, Hansen and possibly Calvacante are yet to come over. Otherwise, 155 is going to be a continuous cycle of throwing fresh meat into the grinder with Maynard, Edgar and Fisher.

[Zanth13]

I would love to see Machida VS Silva, it would be awesome.... someone who can land 80% or more of there strikes against someone who can avoid about 80% of strikes thrown at them... it will would be interesting to watch, even if it was a boring fight seeing them work there skills techniques and game plan against each other would be awesome... a true dream match up...


GSP VS Silva would of course be a an MMA fans wet dream but I would rather see the above...

i agree, Brock seems the most likely to lose out... i know he has the potential to be a great, but i think he needs to better MMA skill set to last long, ground and pound will only get him so far... and he starting to get enough matches where he can be studied and weakness found....

i want to see how he fares against a knock out artist... one in there prime.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Whoever takes out Brock is going to be a technical striker who can defend a takedown.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

New record for fasted official recorded knockout: 3 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmAX2KCFxiA...player_embedded

[amphibian]

From Bloody Elbow, I quote the entire article because it's worth it.

What the UFC offered Fedor said:

According to the Carmichael Dave Show (as posted by Carmichael Dave on Sherdog) the UFC offered Fedor Emelianenko some extremely generous terms:

"- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight

- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot

- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.

- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.

- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.

Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote."

If this is indeed the offer that Zuffa made to Fedor, it is an unprecedentedly generous offer. But if the co-promotion is the sticking point, the deal is DOA.

Commentary from Luke Thomas: Let's be unequivocally clear: this is easily one of if not the most lucrative UFC contract ever extended. The terms are so fantastic that you are not likely to see anything of its kind in terms of its flexibility and willingness to accommodate. When Fedor is gone and the UFC no longer has an albatross around their neck, it will be difficult (albeit not impossible) to envision another scenario where a fighter even can be in a position to make the UFC genuflect like this. Once polarity is entrenched in the UFC's favor, only a crossover star will be able to ask for unreasonable demands. Even then, however, this is beyond that. We've arrived at a special circumstance given the gymnastics the UFC is playing on M-1's behalf.

If anyone from M-1 is reading this, allow me to give you a heads up. The more news of these terms spread, the more the MMA fanbase (hardcore and casual) are going to turn on you in what I can guarantee will be pure viciousness in its backlash. Perhaps that is of little concern to you and your motives, but it is an inevitability.

One can scarcely understand this scenario. Here the UFC is agreeing to not only waive virtually every restriction that would even prevent A-list fighters from joining the roster, but to handsomely pay a relatively minor competitor. Can we imagine a moment where an athlete has their sports organization directly pay an agent or manager or lawyer who helps negotiate any deal? Certainly those handlers charge considerable amounts for their services, but unless I'm mistaken they never actually generate different streams of revenue from the athlete and the organization. This is madness.

The reality is this. We cannot fault M-1 for seeking to aggrandize its riches and use this opportunity to work with the UFC to benefit its efforts. But we also must recognize the stubbornness of M-1's co-promotion stipulation indicates they are attempting to make a statement. The UFC is offering unreal payment and exposure - exposure that literally no one else can provide save perhaps CBS - for the M-1 organization, to say nothing of how much they'll pocket from the PPV buys. Fedor will be allowed to wear as much M-1 signage as he likes. That means this deal accomplishes in meaningful ways the goal of promoting M-1. This deal is helpful to the M-1 brand and company. It's not as helpful as co-promotion, but the inexorable position that it's co-promotion or its nothing is the epitome of cutting off one's nose to spite their face.

UPDATE: From Dave Meltzer via Watch Kalib Run:

"The only thing we can say on the subject is that two different sources have told us negotiations between UFC and Fedor have fallen through again."

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Well, if that's accurate, that's it then. Fedor will never fight in the UFC, and it's all his management's fault. That is a great contract. No one can say the UFC didn't try every reasonable tactic.

[amphibian]

Whoever pulled the trigger on that decision turned down about 14 million a year. This is assuming Fedor gets Lesnar numbers from PPV (which he probably would if he did beat Lesnar in that immediate title shot).

That's... a lot of money. That's so much money, that if I was Fedor, I'd be giving the managers the cold stink-eye and perhaps inviting them down to the gym for a good, stiff sparring session to see if they really do think they've got better options out there.

[Coco with marshmallows]

if those terms are real.......

turning that down goes beyond unbeleivable, its downright stupid.

If they were willing to allow Fedor to wear M1 gear - whatever russian crook is in charge of M1 seriously f***ed up by knocking that back.

[Zanth13]

edit.... who knows

http://www.fighters.com/07/31/ufc-negotiat...says-m-1-global

Quote

The UFC and M-1 Global, promoter of Fighters.com Heavyweight Champion “Last Emperor” Fedor Emelianenko (29-1), have not canned negotiations to put Emelianenko in the Octagon versus UFC champ Brock Lesnar (4-1), M-1 Global announced in a statement Friday afternoon.

“There have been recent reports stating that talk between M-1 Global and the UFC regarding Fedor fighting in the UFC have ended. Like some of the other reports that have surfaced, this is incorrect,” claimed M-1 Global President Vadim Finkelchtein.

Finkelchtein also denied reports in less reputable publications that Fighters.com that the UFC offered Emelianenko a six-fight, $30 million dollar deal.

“It is unfortunate that so much incorrect information has been leaked to the public. It is M-1’s preference not to negotiate in public and we are unsure why people claim that Fedor and M-1 turned down a six fight, $30 million contract to fight in the UFC when no such offer was ever made,” retorted the Russian millionaire.

He implied the UFC was leaking false reports to pressure M-1 Global. “It’s unfortunate because these type of tactics will not help ensure that M-1’s talks with the UFC are fruitful.” But, Finkelchtein added, “It is our hope that the UFC will remain in active dialogue with us as we try to find ways for us to work together.”

This post has been edited by Zanth13: 31 July 2009 - 05:14 PM

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Fedor signed with Strikeforce. Weaksauce, but oh well. I'm not too concerned if he ever makes it to the UFC. It would be great, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

Franklin versus Belfort should be fun.

BJ AND Anderson Silva are fighting this weekend? Sweet.

[Zanth13]

I am really excited about the Forrest vs Silva and Ken Flo VS Penn card this sat....

Forrest and Silva are perhaps two of my favorite fighters but I want Forrest to win because he is the underdog and is in risk of suffering a 2 loss streak if he fails... silva on the other hand loses nothing, not even his belt...

If Penn is at his best cardio wise i think he should be Ken Flo, but you never know...

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Spoiler

I think Forrest has something broken in his face. That's the only way I can see him getting dropped and submitting form that last shot. My guess is on the first or second knockdown he broke his orbital or jaw. You heard it here first.

BJ looked like the man. Great fight.

The first few fights were not super exciting, but not as bad as the mesage boards will have you believe. A decision can still be a good fight, and some of those were. NOt super exciting or anything, but worth watching.

Mirgiolatta is a shitty ref. Always has been. Bring back Big John!

NOt the best of cards, but the excitement of the last two fights made up for the uneventful first half.

[KalamMekhar]

one of the worst ufc's ive watched in a while, only good fight was the main event.....

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

KalamMekhar, on Aug 8 2009, 11:27 PM, said:

one of the worst ufc's ive watched in a while, only good fight was the main event.....

I disagree. Like I said, the first few fights weren't the most exciting ever, but they were fully worth watching. And both of the main events were good.

[KalamMekhar]

i was very disappointed with the first main event. the title fight was cvery good, the only good fight of the night imo.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I don't mind a decision. Granted, there might have been a couple too many, but oh well. I can't believe you didn't like

Spoiler

the striking showcase that Silva put on for us. He looked like he was from the Matrix or something.

[Zanth13]

Spoiler

Poor griffin man, silva made him just look bad, it would have been better if he could have beat up silva at least a little,

I hate to see good fighters tank 2 in a row...

Penn looked awesome and just out classed ken flo in all areas...

Great ppv all in all minus the one early stopage, stupid ref is stupid