[chill]

The connection between these warrens is my burning question.
The way I see it:
Kurald Thyrllan is a Tiste Liosan warren of Light, just like Kurald Galain is a Tiste Andii warren of Darkness.
Somewhere in HoC (I'm to lazy to look up) a T'lan Imass (Onrack, perhaps) stated that their warren, Tellan, draws from Kurald Thyrllan. Something like "they needed the fire to dipserse the Jaghut ice". So, K.T. is a warren of Light, while Tellan is a warren of fire.
I assume that Thyr draws from K.T. in the same way that Meanas draws from Emurlahn and Rashan draws from Galain (it is so, right?). Following that logic, Telas draws from Tellan - elder warren of fire.
I'm somewhat confused about K.T. - Tellan connection, as I can't relate Tiste Liosan with T'lan Imass. From what I could see in Hoc, they hate each other on principle. Tellan - Telas and Thyrllan - Thyr are speculations on my part.
A little help would be useful.

P.S. I just might look up that quotation, if I find the time.
I've read only to MT, so please let me know if the answer is in tBH or RG.
To draw is such a ridiculous verb...have to find a better one...

[SiriusL]

I know, I'm a little confused by this also.

I think the problem (maybe just for me) is that we're expecting some symmetry here. If Tellan is derived from Kurald Thryllan, and so is Thyr, why don't Kuralds Galain and Emurlahn have similar branchings? But then--why would they?

The Imass were Elder, so they're a different race or species than humans, right? It thus stands to reason that the humans were the first to access and/or create Thyr and the other "Paths". Or did K'rul do all of it? And yes, I also think Telas derives from Tellan.

I don't think that there has to be a relationship between the Liosan and the Imass--Tellan might be a derivative, but I never got the impression that the Imass actually came from there. Imass are creatures of the main world (Wu?)--I think Tellan was created separately compared to the origins of the Imass. It's almost like Tellan is an offshoot from the normal progression of warrens.

Another question: Did Tellan actually exist at all before the Ritual that bound it to the Imass?

[Dolorous Menhir]

I don't have any strong evidence of the link between Thyrllan and Tellan between what you've given, but the progression of names from Thyrllan-Tellan-Telas is very suggestive. And an association of warrens does not mean the races are allies, or have any relationship at all.

SiriusL;193312 said:

Another question: Did Tellan actually exist at all before the Ritual that bound it to the Imass?

Yes. Before the Ritual, it was the warren of fire (life). After, its aspect became ash (death).

[SiriusL]

Dolorous Menhir;193315 said:

Yes. Before the Ritual, it was the warren of fire (life). After, its aspect became ash (death).

That's right! So, that must mean that Telas was created before the ritual, which strikes me as odd, since there were no humans around to speak of (save those Kilava birthed, maybe).

[chill]

The impression of Kurald Thyrllan I got when Pearl and Lostara Yil entered it, is that it's aspected as both fire and light - if I remember correctly, walls of bright fire were mentioned, which could be a synthesis of the two. Perhaps that was the reason it could branch into Tellan and Thyr.