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Raymond E Feist is he losing his skill or is it just me? I just picked up Flight of the Nighthawks and boy was I sadly disappointed Who want's to bet that Tad and Zane go on to save the world... Im about ready to whip out my :folken: and Cut this book in half!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 06:00 AM
Actually, the next book wasn't that bad. And FotN wasn't that bad either, compared to other stuff he wrote before. But yeah, no where near what he did when he first started up.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 06:04 AM
This topic would probably be better placed in the "Other Fantasy" forum...
As a matter of fact, I think there is a long-running thread called "The Book I Burned Today..."
As a matter of fact, I think there is a long-running thread called "The Book I Burned Today..."
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 06:05 AM
Yeah, that's pretty obvious, so let's just wait for a mod to move it...
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 06:06 AM
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 11:48 AM
To be brutally honest, I've never thought that Feist's kung-fu was ever that strong anyway. He does however hold the high privilege of having written one of the worst books I've ever read - and whilst my tolerance for bad films is much greater than that for bad books, I've still read my fair share of them in the past thity odd years.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 12:07 PM
I don't bother with Feist's stuff anymore. His first series were solid (if simpleish) fantasy, but after that it's been downhill, imho.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 02:42 PM
Flight of the Nighthawks was just Prince of the Blood rehashed and with Pug in it. To be honest the whole Darkwar saga has been a huge dissapointment for me, his writings really gone downhill since the Serpentwar saga, and he last book of that wasnt even very good!!
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 02:50 PM
Magician and the Empire trilogy are by far his best books. Unless you're a big Fiest fan you could quite easily read just those and be satisfied.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 03:02 PM
I agree with Polish and Kazz.
Magician was one of the first books i read and i loved it. Since then and especially after the Serpentware Saga it all seems to be very samey.
Quite weak with not much happening. The past few books in the Dark War Saga could of been all encompassed within one and i think that in its self shows how he's maybe struggling a bit.
Magician is a classic for me if only because of how old it is and how much i enjoyed it at the time. Murder in Lamut was awful. I hope he ends the whole Midkeminia ( Spelling! ) theme and branches out to something else.
But going on how things are progressing were looking at another 5 books here. Annoying as i find it hard to stop reading a Saga once started.
Magician was one of the first books i read and i loved it. Since then and especially after the Serpentware Saga it all seems to be very samey.
Quite weak with not much happening. The past few books in the Dark War Saga could of been all encompassed within one and i think that in its self shows how he's maybe struggling a bit.
Magician is a classic for me if only because of how old it is and how much i enjoyed it at the time. Murder in Lamut was awful. I hope he ends the whole Midkeminia ( Spelling! ) theme and branches out to something else.
But going on how things are progressing were looking at another 5 books here. Annoying as i find it hard to stop reading a Saga once started.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 03:11 PM
Magician was by far the best one, Silverthorn and Darkness at Sethanon were good reads but not nearly as good. The Empire trilogy was also very good as it focused on the Tsurani side of the Riftwar and was set in a very different cultural background.
The Serpentwar series was ok,books one and three were good, two (Rise of a Merchant Prince)was mediocre at best(basically the first books plot over again with some dodgy mechant dealings thrown in) and the fourth was barely worth reading at all, it was just another 'Pug and Tomas save the day again!' novel. As for the other standalone books, some were awful(Murder in LaMut,Jimmy the Hand) some merely mediocre(Kings Buccaneer, Prince of the Blood' The Talon of a Silver Hawk novels were pretty awful really, the main character was so bad its not even funny.. ramble over.
The Serpentwar series was ok,books one and three were good, two (Rise of a Merchant Prince)was mediocre at best(basically the first books plot over again with some dodgy mechant dealings thrown in) and the fourth was barely worth reading at all, it was just another 'Pug and Tomas save the day again!' novel. As for the other standalone books, some were awful(Murder in LaMut,Jimmy the Hand) some merely mediocre(Kings Buccaneer, Prince of the Blood' The Talon of a Silver Hawk novels were pretty awful really, the main character was so bad its not even funny.. ramble over.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 03:26 PM
I have a deep nostalgic love for the original Magician/Silverthron/Darkess set.
The Empire series was a decent read as a companion piece.
That said, and imnsho:
Prince of the Blood was passably ok;
King Buccaneer deserved to be used as birdcage liner - omg was this bad;
The Serpentwar series was two books longer than it needed to be and the last book was an irretreivable waste of dead trees and ink.
I stopped there.
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The Empire series was a decent read as a companion piece.
That said, and imnsho:
Prince of the Blood was passably ok;
King Buccaneer deserved to be used as birdcage liner - omg was this bad;
The Serpentwar series was two books longer than it needed to be and the last book was an irretreivable waste of dead trees and ink.
I stopped there.
- Abyss, still thinks 'Milamber' is a better name than 'Pug'.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 03:46 PM
I liked Magician, Silverthorn and A Darkness at Sethanon. Then I tried to read Prince of the Blood. After about 100 pages I gave up. Never touched a Feist book again.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 04:36 PM
Whatever you do, never -and I really do mean never - read Rise of a Merchant Prince. If somebody recommends that you do so; don't walk, run away from them as fast as your legs can carry you (Or obtain some sort of hypersonic transport, if you're able). I'd also advise that you be screaming at the top of you lungs as you do this.
To be on the safe side.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 05:25 PM
I only read the Magician series (I thought it was four books, rather than three...) and I really enjoyed the story but I found Feist's way of telling it to be rather dusty.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 07:00 PM
Terez;184947 said:
I only read the Magician series (I thought it was four books, rather than three...) and I really enjoyed the story but I found Feist's way of telling it to be rather dusty.
I gather in some places the first book was split into two- Magician: Apprentice and Magician: Master. But it's all one book.
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Whatever you do, never -and I really do mean never - read Rise of a Merchant Prince. If somebody recommends that you do so; don't walk, run away from them as fast as your legs can carry you (Or obtain some sort of hypersonic transport, if you're able). I'd also advise that you be screaming at the top of you lungs as you do this.
So this. It was painful. the third book in the Serpentwar saga wasn't bad, and the first was okay, but this pile of dross in the middle made me want to burn it.
I should reread the saga though, because I was young enough when I read them to be extremely annoyed by the sex scenes. ¬_¬ Which while probably still needless wouldn't bother me now.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:47 PM
His last one just came out. And I bought it. Not as bad as some of the earlier ones, although I am confused as to who some people are.
for anyone thats read them all, a question:
Of course, now hes going to new and ... odd... places to do his adventering (Pug/Milly)
for anyone thats read them all, a question:
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Of course, now hes going to new and ... odd... places to do his adventering (Pug/Milly)
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:50 PM
Abyss;184859 said:
I have a deep nostalgic love for the original Magician/Silverthron/Darkess set.
The Empire series was a decent read as a companion piece.
That said, and imnsho:
Prince of the Blood was passably ok;
King Buccaneer deserved to be used as birdcage liner - omg was this bad;
The Serpentwar series was two books longer than it needed to be and the last book was an irretreivable waste of dead trees and ink.
I stopped there.
The Empire series was a decent read as a companion piece.
That said, and imnsho:
Prince of the Blood was passably ok;
King Buccaneer deserved to be used as birdcage liner - omg was this bad;
The Serpentwar series was two books longer than it needed to be and the last book was an irretreivable waste of dead trees and ink.
I stopped there.
Right on. You have encompassed my encounter with Feist's books precisely.
