[tjc52]

Right, new speculation on who he is now welcome. We now know that hes not Scabandari. We're told, in the prologue, a bit that seems to have been added to it after Kallor posted it on the forum, that Edgewalker is "busy" during the Sundering of Emurlahn. So he's obviously around at that time. And he can't be Scabandari for many reasons. Rake seems to think Edgewalker would help Kilmandaros if he weren't busy, and he's still in Shadow (Meanas), not in a knife in the Refugium, during tBH.

Also, what are Telorast and Curdle doing on his behalf, chasing Banaschar? And why have they left Apsalar?

[flea]

Hetan;184501 said:

Scabandari murdered the Royal Edur line to gain power - it was not his by right.

Where is this info located?

[Onrack the breakable]

Is this time for me to say, "I told you so!"?

It seemed like everyone poo pood my idea that Edgewalker was a remnant (he's described as a skeleton after all) of the elder god Draconis saying it was far more likely Scabby. My idea MAY still be wrong but the Scabby bit almost definitely is. I won't say definite since writers can write whatever they want especially about gods (which so far haven't been proven to exist) which almost by definition can do the impossible...

[Set'alahd Crool]

I still think Edgewalker is Father Light, since I don't think there is an actual Father Shadow.

Mother Dark -> Andii/Galain/Darkness
Father Light -> Liosan/Thyrlann/Light
Mother Dark + Father Light -> Edur/Emurlahn/Shadow

[Monoch Ochem]

Isn't that Osserc?

Crikey!! Does that make Osserc Rake, Silchas etc.'s father??

[polishgenius]

Was there speculation that Edgewalker is Scabby? Even before RG, where did that come from?

I don't see why he has to be anyone, he might just be Edgewalker - an Elder God of boundaries or suchlike?

[Dolorous Menhir]

polishgenius;185707 said:

Was there speculation that Edgewalker is Scabby? Even before RG, where did that come from?

I don't see why he has to be anyone, he might just be Edgewalker - an Elder God of boundaries or suchlike?

People keep on insisting that Edgewalker is someone we've already seen.

Even though that makes no sense whatsoever, given what we learned in the RG prologue: that Edgewalker was active at the time of the Sundering of Emurlahn, when Scabby still lived and Draconus was still free.

Edgewalker is not Scabby or Draconus. End of story.

[pat5150]

This may sound crazy, but from the get-go I thought that Edgewalker was the master of the Deragoth we've been given a few hints of. . .

Patrick

[Set'alahd Crool]

Monoch Ochem;185699 said:

Isn't that Osserc?

Crikey!! Does that make Osserc Rake, Silchas etc.'s father??

Since Rake is the first son of Mother Dark I always thought of Osric as the first son of Father Light.

@Pat
I think Edgewalker was bound to Shadow long before the time of the First Empire.

[Gem Windcaster]

Maybe Edgewalker is the original father Shadow?

[Set'alahd Crool]

Gem Windcaster;185867 said:

Maybe Edgewalker is the original father Shadow?

See my earlier post for my thoughts on that.

The first time I read NoK I immediately thought he was Father Light, and so far nothing has contradicted that. Not enough that I can't ignore it, anyway.

[Gem Windcaster]

I think there at least was a father shadow, if Edgewalker isn't, maybe not in the usual sense, but there still had to be someone powerful that were among the first Edur. Nothing is simplistic in the malazan world.

[Set'alahd Crool]

It's fair to say Mother Dark is not Andii, though they are her children. Similarly I think it's a safe bet that Father Light ain't Liosan, though they are his children.

I don't think their was a Father Shadow whose children are the Edur in the MD-Andii or FL-Liosan sense. The Edur are the children of both MD and FL.

That's the way I see it, anyhue.

[Gem Windcaster]

Set said:

It's fair to say Mother Dark is not Andii, though they are her children. Similarly I think it's a safe bet that Father Light ain't Liosan, though they are his children.

I agree with that.

Set said:

I don't think their was a Father Shadow whose children are the Edur in the MD-Andii or FL-Liosan sense. The Edur are the children of both MD and FL.

Why not? Shadow isn't necessarily 'just' a mix of darknes and light. It's an element in its own right. It's possible it is beyond the whole 'mother' and 'father' thing. Ofcourse I don't know this, but why couln't it be like I say?

[caladanbrood]

Gem Windcaster;186004 said:

Why not? Shadow isn't necessarily 'just' a mix of darknes and light. It's an element in its own right. It's possible it is beyond the whole 'mother' and 'father' thing. Ofcourse I don't know this, but why couln't it be like I say?

Did you read the books? How they said that shadow was caused by the mixing of dark and light, all that sort of thing? How the Edur are "Mother Dark's true children" etc etc.

[Gem Windcaster]

caladanbrood; said:

Did you read the books?

I don't particularly like that tone of yours, Brood.

caladanbrood; said:

How they said that shadow was caused by the mixing of dark and light, all that sort of thing? How the Edur are "Mother Dark's true children" etc etc.

Ofcourse I know they speculate about that, but especially in these books, the characters are sometimes wrong. In this issue, just a little nudge in the wrong direction would spin the entire dark-light-shadow concept off its precipice. And I know my theory is very thin, but I am just curious if you can find some reason why it couldn't be like I have suggested other than some character's speculation? It's not like we always take the characters word for everything.

[Set'alahd Crool]

There's nothing to definitively disprove your theory Gem, I just prefer mine.

And Brood, less of that please. We're not on TGnet.

[caladanbrood]

Keep your hair on kids - I find Gem's attitude annoying, so I'm allowed to respond in kind.

I disagree with your theory, Gem, because there is nothing to support it and everything to disagree with it. That's also why I'm rather incredulous about it. "Some characters can be wrong" is not evidence.