[kmgrey]

Just finished Midnight Tides for the first time and I have a couple of questions that i would like some help with:

1) Tehol's plan- what was the point? I get the part about getting the ethnic minorities out of the city but all of his plans at destroying the economy didn't seem to make a lick of difference because of the Edur invasion. Is this followed up on Reaper's Gale?

2) Gerun Eberict- was it ever explained *why* he was killing thousands of people in the city?

[Dolorous Menhir]

kmgrey;183209 said:

Just finished Midnight Tides for the first time and I have a couple of questions that i would like some help with:

1) Tehol's plan- what was the point? I get the part about getting the ethnic minorities out of the city but all of his plans at destroying the economy didn't seem to make a lick of difference because of the Edur invasion. Is this followed up on Reaper's Gale?

The plan was set in motion before it was apparent that the Letherii would lose to the Edur. I don't think anyone was expecting the Edur to be led by an undying insane emperor backed by a god bent on destruction. And even though the Edur have taken over, crippling the economy would still be devastating.

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2) Gerun Eberict- was it ever explained *why* he was killing thousands of people in the city?

He's a serial killer. That's about all there was to it, I think. It seems poor people annoyed him, and killing them made him happy.

[caladanbrood]

kmgrey;183209 said:

Just finished Midnight Tides for the first time and I have a couple of questions that i would like some help with:

1) Tehol's plan- what was the point? Is this followed up on Reaper's Gale?

To put it simply... yes.

Originally, the point was to prove he could, I think. Shand, Rissarh and Hejun were playing very deftly on his ego. This obviously changed later on.

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2) Gerun Eberict- was it ever explained *why* he was killing thousands of people in the city?

I believe the quote was something like "A personal crusade to rid Letheras of undesirables." He wasn't entirely... sane;)

[kmgrey]

Thanks! Happy to here that it's followed up on in RG. As much as I enjoyed those passages in MT on their own it felt like a waste of time in the end.

And, yeah, I gathered that Eberict wasn't really "all there" but with all the talk of about the lack of a Hold of Death, the undead, spirits, etc it almost seemed like Eberict's little personal crusade might have played a strong role there as well and I thought I might have missed something.

[caladanbrood]

kmgrey;183223 said:

And, yeah, I gathered that Eberict wasn't really "all there" but with all the talk of about the lack of a Hold of Death, the undead, spirits, etc it almost seemed like Eberict's little personal crusade might have played a strong role there as well and I thought I might have missed something.

Its possible, I suppose, that someone or something was trying to manipulate him into forcing a Hold of Death back into existance, or something like that, by just killing so many people that the continent couldn't take the spiritual strain anymore, and I wouldn't put it past Erikson. Hard to say though.

[chill]

I've some questions too regarding MT:
When is it happening? I thought it happened a long time before the Malazan empire, but then Iron Bars said that the Awoved are there to help K'azz get back on the throne - after he was dethroned by Kellanved. Now I'm confused because I don' know where to place the events in MT.
What happened after the clash in the throne room? I think it was said that Trull wanted to complain about something to Rhulad at the very end of the book, but I don't know how it got him chained.

[Flawed]

There are some discrepancies with the time lines but i think it is the same time as Memories of Ice. A few details point to this other then the obvious quoted time lines. One being the Edur washing up all bloated and squished in the Panion Domin.

I was under the impression that it was Kallor that dispossessed K'azz of the throne century's ago? That was the point of the Vow ( Avowed ) that they would fight until he was rightfully back on the throne and they had been doing so for a long long time.

Thinking as i type now they wouldn't of been in Broods army with Kallor round the corner if that was the case.

Ignore me or set me straight someone please!

[kmgrey]

Yeah, it's somewhere around GotM-MoI time frame. Several references put it into the timeline:

- the aforementioned appearance of the Edur body in MoI that was a direct result of Bugg/Mael.

- The Prologue mentions a Burn's Sleep Date that is also three years away from the Seventh Closure. I can't recall the BS date exactly (and it's folly trying to keep an exact timeline of the series anyway since Erikson has admitted that it's inconsistent) but it was around 1160 IIRC and the bulk of MT takes place in the one year before the Seventh Closure.

- Feather Witch's second reading of the tiles references several events from elsewhere in the series, most obviously the return of the two wolves the Beast Throne which, of course, takes place in Memories of Ice.

[Aptorian]

It wasn't Kallor that sent Kazz Davore into exile.

It was either Kelanveds Malazans or the prior occupiors that sent the Prince packing. As I remember their vow is around a hundred years old give or take. This is why Kazz is allied with Brood in the war on Genebackis. Kallor "was" sort of an ally, not Kazz enemy, at least from what we know.