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you guys forgot taht aps has all of cotts memories and therefore skill and knowledge regarding the hounds..
therefore she knows how they react to threats and how fast htey can move.. that allow her to surprise them and kick their butts. for a while
Apsalar: Somebody enlighten me..please
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Posted 13 May 2007 - 07:43 AM
[QUOTE=james9700;180535]Ok, most of my confusion gets cleared up by reading this forum or re-reading the books. BUT..the one thing I haven't gotten in the Bonehunters is Apsalar. First, why did she have to kill the people on Shadowthrone's list, wasn't she freed at the end of GOTM? Or did she make some implied deal with Cotillion having to do with Crokus in Midnight Tides?
The deal was that she would do all Cotillions dirty work for him if he left Crokus alone. She didnt want him to die.
Now the list is clear and with her work and the Azlan demons released in House of Chains doing their jobs im sure the Empire has been er .... Cleansed?
Should of just used one of those Flash wipes. The ones with the rough bit on one side. Smell awful but good at scrubbing.
I digress........... bless!
The deal was that she would do all Cotillions dirty work for him if he left Crokus alone. She didnt want him to die.
Now the list is clear and with her work and the Azlan demons released in House of Chains doing their jobs im sure the Empire has been er .... Cleansed?
Should of just used one of those Flash wipes. The ones with the rough bit on one side. Smell awful but good at scrubbing.
I digress........... bless!
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Posted 23 May 2007 - 07:52 PM
With Apsalar there is one question I ask rather often when I read this series - how powerful she really is? As Aptorian pointed, Hounds are extremely powerful, and we have clues for this in many books. Yet she could not only stop them, but also kicked them and hurt them. Not to mention, that she killed more than 300 assasin in Malaz, and finished Pearl like he was a little baby. So she is probably ascendand, and her powers don't come only from shadow dance - we read from Lostara words that there were more shadow dancers when she was in the temple, so there should have been more powerful assasins like Apsalar.
And with this conversation between Cottillion and ST - when Cot. enetered the scene he was all in dust and very tired (I cant write the exact words cause I only read translation) like it was he himself who was fighting Hounds?
And one last thing. In BH Kalam is said to be nearly as powerful as Apsalar. How can it be - we know that he is a normal person with no magical powers. He's very strong, skilled and dangerous, but how can he be considered one of the most deadly assasins if he doesn't posses magic?
And with this conversation between Cottillion and ST - when Cot. enetered the scene he was all in dust and very tired (I cant write the exact words cause I only read translation) like it was he himself who was fighting Hounds?
And one last thing. In BH Kalam is said to be nearly as powerful as Apsalar. How can it be - we know that he is a normal person with no magical powers. He's very strong, skilled and dangerous, but how can he be considered one of the most deadly assasins if he doesn't posses magic?
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Posted 23 May 2007 - 09:05 PM
How powerful? Very.
Re: Kalam. -He has nearly ascended he's suck a badass. Also, as a member of the claw, I imagine he does have some magic.
Re: Kalam. -He has nearly ascended he's suck a badass. Also, as a member of the claw, I imagine he does have some magic.
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Posted 23 May 2007 - 09:14 PM
As for the Kalam - for sure in some places in the books it was said he has no magick powers except QB to back him up. Although in TBH Tavore says that it looks as Kalam moves faster than other assasins, and he replies that in his mind everything just slows down. So maybe he do posses some kind of extra powers?
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 04:22 PM
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we read from Lostara words that there were more shadow dancers when she was in the temple, so there should have been more powerful assasins like Apsalar.
Those shadow dancers were trained as dancers, not as assasins. They had forgotten what shadowdancing was really for. I wonder where Cotillion learned it.
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Although in TBH Tavore says that it looks as Kalam moves faster than other assasins, and he replies that in his mind everything just slows down. So maybe he do posses some kind of extra powers?
Bullet time
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 04:37 PM
I thought the bullet time ( 
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As for Cotillion, as Dancer he was an assassin, and
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...before he ever ascended to co-Ruler of Meanas.
That being said, we don't actually know that Cotillion does in fact have 'shadow-dancing' the way Apsalar does. It seems likely that whatever abilities she obtained from Cotillion, she evolved/ascended into a new skill set. They may have been the same once, but not as of the end of TB.
- Abyss, prefers belly-dancing.
) thing was more a function of Kalam's training and innate badassedness than anything magical.As for Cotillion, as Dancer he was an assassin, and
Minor NoK SPOILER
Spoiler
...before he ever ascended to co-Ruler of Meanas.
That being said, we don't actually know that Cotillion does in fact have 'shadow-dancing' the way Apsalar does. It seems likely that whatever abilities she obtained from Cotillion, she evolved/ascended into a new skill set. They may have been the same once, but not as of the end of TB.
- Abyss, prefers belly-dancing.
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 05:26 PM
Varunwe;188587 said:
Bullet time
Haha, Kalam is Max Payne.
Abyss;188593 said:
That being said, we don't actually know that Cotillion does in fact have 'shadow-dancing' the way Apsalar does. It seems likely that whatever abilities she obtained from Cotillion, she evolved/ascended into a new skill set. They may have been the same once, but not as of the end of TB.
- Abyss, prefers belly-dancing.
- Abyss, prefers belly-dancing.
It seems pretty clear that Dancer was an assassin who used shadow dancing. Hence the name, Dancer.
Did anyone else think Dancer was a female when they first read GotM? I was a bit surprised when it turned out "Dancer, companion to the Emperor" was a male.
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 05:37 PM
Actually, I thought it was one of Santa's reindeer go rogue...
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 06:09 PM
So we can assume, that Apsalar learnt Shadow Dance for an assasination use from the memories of Cottillion but probably brought it to higher level. But what powers does it give to her? That she can walk in shadows, be extra fast and probably super extra strong. Well not too bad, who wants to learn some shadow dancing?
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Posted 24 May 2007 - 07:30 PM
Abyss;188593 said:
That being said, we don't actually know that Cotillion does in fact have 'shadow-dancing' the way Apsalar does. It seems likely that whatever abilities she obtained from Cotillion, she evolved/ascended into a new skill set. They may have been the same once, but not as of the end of TB.
When Pearl sees that someone's been shadow dancing through the Claw, he thinks that Cotillion's after him. So Pearl, at least, seems to believe that Cotillion is a shadow dancer.
