[Werthead]

ChrisW;173712 said:

God your an arse.(Werthead that is)

None of the quotes you attributed to me were said by me. All I said was that late Robert Jordan was on a par with JK Rowling and Raymond E. Feist, and I like those authors. I think CoT is a terrible book but even the much-reviled 8, 9 and (to some extent 11) I have time for, despite their weaknesses.

[duckman]

paladin;173657 said:

Well then.. at least I got them for free.. guess ill give them to goodwill

Seriously, don't give them to the Goodwill. You'll just be forcing others to read the trash he's put out.

Just use them to hold up wobbly table legs or something.

[Tristan]

I remember reading Goodkind because at the time there was not really much in the way of solid fantasy. I enjoyed the first two books, but the others kind of just blend together in my memory. There are entirely too many good books(fantasy and otherwise) to read now for me to even read the backcover of his books. But the term "yeard" makes me giggle like an idiot, so at least he serves some purpose.

[ObsoleteResolve]

No, he didn't steal his ideas from Feist: he stole his ideas from BROOKS.

If his ego isn't enough to turn you off of his tripe (he believes himself to be the Greatest Thing Ever for the fantasy genre, and in any interview with him you can hear the slap, slap, slap of his KY slicked hand stroking his cock furiously towards orgasm), the fact that: no growth occurs in his characters; The World Is Ending Six Months After The World Was Last Going To End plot; and the sheer fucking randroid insanity that the fucker pushes out...

Yeah.

He's bottom of the barrel for me.

If I had a choice of being stuck with only the Wheel of Time or the Sword of Truth for the rest of eternity, I would KILL ANYONE WHO DENIED ME MY SWEET, SWEET WHEEL OF TIME. Because, compared to SoT, WoT is a GODDAMNED M.JOHN HARRISON, STEVEN ERIKSON, GENE WOLFE MIXING OF UNADULTERATED, SHEER GLORY.

So, yeah: Goodkind == Teh Goddamned Suck.



Or as I mentioned his fiction once before on ME/Forums:

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I think the problem most people have with Goodkind is the combination of the over-abundance of his philosophy, to the point where the plot and the characterization is subverted completely to further solely the philosophy, and the absolute, overwhelming hubris of the man. He is, to be quite frank, an egotistical, arrogant moron.

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What I have done with my work has irrevocably changed the face of fantasy. In so doing I've raised the standards. I have not only injected thought into a tired empty genre, but, more importantly, I've transcended it showing what more it can be-and is so doing spread my readership to completely new groups who don't like and wont ready typical fantasy. Agents and editors are screaming for more books like mine.

So, yeah. The constant stroking of him of his own penis is what really disgusts people, when combined with everything else. Each book reads like a masturbatory fantasy, "Ugh, ugh, yeah, you all, unnnhhhh, don't know anything, see, unnnggggg, I'm so smart, your... uhhhhhhh... all... uuughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... wrong... uuuuuuuuarrrrrrrrrrrhggggggggggggggggggggggggg!"

[Tristan]

Yeard!!!!

[Astra]

Werthead;173708 said:

If it's any consolation, although Terry Goodkind did hold the record for the Biggest Advance ever paid for a fantasy series for four years ($700K), he was displaced in the record by a certain S. Erikson (?500K, about $800-850K in 1998 money, more like $900K now). However, since Goodkind's advance was for just three books and Erikson's was for ten, Goodkind still holds the Biggest Advance per Book for a fantasy series.

As for where Goodkind fits into the overall list of authors, it goes something like this:

Erikson/Martin/Bakker/Kay/Morgan/Vance/Tolkien
Lynch/Jones/PF Hamilton/Reynolds/Williams/Banks/Early Jordan
Later Jordan/Feist/Rowling
- (long gap)
Brooks/Eddings/Weis & Hickman
- (long gap)
- (long gap)
- (long gap)
- D. Brown
- (long gap)
- (long gap)
- (long gap) x 50,000
- Goodkind
- (very short gap)
- Newcombe/Hubbard

+1

[paladin]

ChrisW;173712 said:

Frustratingly repetative and slow like WoT-Yes

Well I don't agree with that description of WoT but if I did I'd say SoT does not fit that description imo.

I described WoT as that and I stand by it. Of all the books I've read, the only thing more boring and slower than the Frodo parts of LotR that you just want to skip over is WoT. 3 books of buildup or so per 1 book of partial major resolution. All the more frustrating because of the potential of the story.. Jordan has a better imagination than most

[The Tyrant Lizard]

I didnt think the Goodkind books were quite that bad. fare enough, the books were in many ways childish, pretentious, and annoying, and I hated the way he tried to hang out the final suprise for so damn long, and he had some ludicrous creature names too (the Lurk). But I thought some of the characters were pretty good, and some of the twists weren't bad either.
The worst thing though, is Goodkind's lack of foresight. He fails to introduce any of his characters until they actually appear in the book in question. I would like to have heard of the all conquering baddy at least before he steps foot into the pages of the book. It almost seems as if Goodkind hasn't previously thought of them and has only just made them up at that particular moment... I wonder?

[QuickTidal]

The comparison to Feist can be as follows: The Old World / New World deal in the SOT books....and in Feists series it's Pug's world and that of the Tsurani through the Rift. Same shit, different pile really.

[Cause]

I was not beinbg literal. he asked if the books were unoriginaral like feist. They are very unoriginal, so much so hes accused of plaguirism. So I was making a joke

[spiralx]

Hmm, a quick read through a thread on a TG fan forum is quite scary - people claiming that TG saved their life and so on. Also they all seem to be Objectivists, a philosophy which seems to me to appeal to spoilt teenagers and overpaid nerds only.

[Shurque's biatch]

I am trying hard to recover from gagging and my eyes are watering as I type. I just followed Pat's link to an interview with his highness TG.

Uh, wow. I am not sure if I am more appalled by the people writing in or by his responses. As far as terrible, egomaniacal, self-important, delusional, uh, uh, insert appropriate euphemism for loony, writers go, he takes the cake.

I am surprised by how much lower an opinion I have of him now.

@spiralx, TG IS a huge fan of Ayn Rand and it leaks out of every paragraph of his books. Objectivism is likewise unappealing to me.

the god himself said:

TG:
I rarely have time to read any more. I?m a slow reader so it takes me a long time to read a book. I?m also a slow writer so I have to devote nearly every waking hour to working or I would never finish writing a book.
I mostly like to read nonfiction. I enjoy reading about philosophy. As I?m sure you?ve read elsewhere, Ayn Rand is by far my favorite author. I?m probably pretty unusual in that I most enjoy her nonfiction, rather than her fiction.
As for fiction, I?ve enjoyed a few different authors such as Dean Koontz.
Mostly, though, I would rather write my own story than read someone else?s. I think that one reason readers find my writing so different than any other author they?ve read is because I hardly ever read other fiction. Most authors devour fiction by the ton. I wonder if all of that reading of other authors? work goes into the subconscious mix and homogenizes the way they tell stories. Since I so rarely read any fiction I have to write it completely my own way, without benefit of how others write.

[spiralx]

That really is quite incredibly arrogant. Made more ironic perhaps by the fact that his lack of reading shows in the quality of his work - he could probably do with some inspiration about how to write a decent story! Although given the claims of plagiarism I've heard, perhaps that's a bit of a fib.

And yes, I knew he was a Randroid. Thankfully I stopped reading before it got political - and that was just because of the fact that his books were sheer boredom interspersed with sexual violence.

[Taciturn]

"Welcome to the world of Terry Goodkind"? You've got to be kidding.

He spends every waking hour writing those....things? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Sweet. More Goodkind bashing. I'm game. Here goes. Goodkind blows. His mom is bald she has an afro with a chinstrap. I would pay him to not write a book. He looks funny. His fans are lame. Some of the worst fiction ever.

[RodeoRanch]

Terry lives in Terry-Land.

Terry-Land is fucking spooky.

[QuickTidal]

RodeoRanch;174026 said:

Terry lives in Terry-Land.

Terry-Land is fucking spooky.

I used to hear strange tales in my youth of Terry-Land, and how everything there is backwards, and repetetive, and that it is ruled by a cruel tyrant who lives inside his own ass, screaming obscenities at his subjects, and then flinging his fecal matter at them, only to have it ricochet off inner ass-flesh and "splut" him in the face....and yet he keeps on doing it....