[Not-Apsalar]

Is this because there was/is no ice aspected dragon?


If true, it means either that K'rul created only the human accessible warrens, but not the elder warrens/holds (which I don't buy) and thus no ice dragon => no ice human warren but OP still exists.



Or K'rul fashioned all the warrens but used dragons to fashion only human accessible warrens. But whatabout "Silanda bringing fire to Tellann"? Does this suppose to mean that Silanda helped K'rul to fashion Telas out of Tellann?

Is it difficult for humans to work in ice-cold warren and hence no one have discovered such a warren?

Is it because jaghut is almost-extinct and hence OP is almost dead?

[Gem Windcaster]

There might be a human omtose phellack - just is, noone's using it.
Unless someone's sure there can't be one?

[K'Chain Bull'shite]

the closest would be Rashan I think - dark and cold, it was described that way somewhere iirc.

[caladanbrood]

Rashan is specifically defined as the Warren of Darkness, in the Bonehunters glossary...

Thinking about it, I don't think a warren of Ice has ever been mentioned, but I'd never noticed that before now.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Good question.

You could go back to Nightchill - she was supposed to be a human mage, and seem to use cold-aspected magic. People attribute the death-by-freezing of A'Karonys to her. So presumably she was (supposed to be) using some human warren of ice.

Not sure of any other examples though. Most of the human warrens are clear descendants of Elder Warrens, and in turn most Elder Warrens have known human derivatives. The exceptions being Omtose Phellack (no human equivalent) and Ruse (no Elder Warren of the Seas that we know of).

It may be a clue that Omtose Phellack stands alone in naming convention and racial aspect too. It is the only warren of the Jaghut, a race not closely connected to humans. And it is the only warren to take a name of that form. Sometimes I wonder if we will be introduced to other warrens named "Omtose something".

Of course, Telas was not introduced until MoI, when it was revealed to be Tays' warren. It was not in previous glossaries at all. So perhaps some human ice warren will appear soon too, when someone turns out to be a user of it (Sinn, maybe).

[spiralx]

What's the human version of Starvald Demelain? Or the elder version of Aral Gamelian (the demon-summoning warren)?

[GardenGnome]

This is just a crazy theory, but if every elder warren should have a human derivative, and the other way around, then maybe Aral Gamelon is Starvald Damelain's human derivative. Yeah, pretty weak...

[spiralx]

Well certainly Aral Gamelon is said to be "close to chaos", which is what Starvald Demalain's aspect seems to be... so not so far-fetched I guess!

[Abyss]

While i like the notion of a human aspected ice warren, Omtose is dying, and has been since before the Human First Empire showed up. So little opportunity for a spin off human warren, and since humans have fire (note the analogy of Imass Tellan/Life and the Thyrllan/Fire aspected Olar Ethel replacing/wiping out Jaghut/Ice), ice is even less significant than ever.

Nightchill's original name was Sister of Cold Nights, which certainly suggests a cold aspect, but Elder Gods don't seem to play by the same warren rules that humans do.

Someone in another thread hypothesized that Sinn was actually a High Mage of an ice aspected warren based on how she sht down the fires in YGhatan, but i stick with that being Thyr.

Aral Gamelon isn't, imnsho, derived from an elder warren and we've seen multiple humans using it - Tays, Bauchelain, QB. Oscric seemed to use it with Loric to get Greyfrog, but i think that was just strolling betweenw arrens, not summoning/binding.

- Abyss, ice, ice, baby.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Aral Gamelon was associated with Hood's Path & Chaos, right? It's not got anything to do with Starvald Demelain anyway - it's about dragons, and AG is about demonic summoning.

[Monoch Ochem]

Abyss;162888 said:

Someone in another thread hypothesized that Sinn was actually a High Mage of an ice aspected warren based on how she sht down the fires in YGhatan, but i stick with that being Thyr.
- Abyss, ice, ice, baby.

That someone was me. I'm still holding out hope that it's true, only because it'd be so cool ...no pun intended initially there.

But A'karonys died AFTER Nightchill was torn to shreds by the Kenryllah. It had even begun feeding by the time Bellurdan arrived so she must have been well and truly dead. So it might have been Rake who froze him... alternatively, some one else was on that plain launching the attack at Calot, 'Sail and Hairlock, who also froze A'karonys. A familiar?? Did Nightchill summon her own demon with a geas to do the dirty work for her?

Or was it some ritual of some sort? If so, what triggered it? Because a mage's magic wink's out when s/he dies. A locked ritual like Gothos' I understand but something taking effect after the weaver dies...what triggers that?

Or is this more of the legendary GotMism?

[paladin]

i would think that it exists, just not in use by anyone we know