[Dagger]

Damn, I shouldn't be reading this. It's going to be forever before I get my hands on this book.

[Monoch Ochem]

Hetan;158203 said:

the thread is back further than you thought here in fact. the synopsis is ok, but doesn't do justice to the content

*rolls eyes* It does not become you to BECOME like Pallor Hetan. I offer a challenge: can YOU do more justice to the content than the synopsis? By all means dear, indulge us...

@ Dolorous: I always saw the duplicity of the Errant as the precursor to Oponn. Even his bi-sexuality I saw as Oponn's split gender (which is different from sexuality, I know but I'm here referring to the male and female OBJECTS of his affection, not the nature of his affection itself). He does give the 'nudge' and not always towards a pleasant outcome. Mael pretty much evinced this in their first encounter. So when was it established otherwise that The Errant isn't just Oponn unthawed?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Because the Errant is someone who used to be powerful worldwide, and is now only remembered in Lether. How do you reconcile that with him being related Oponn, who are well known across the world.

Oponn may have filled a gap that the Errant left empty outside Lether (I don't think so) but even if that's the case it still means the Errant & Oponn are two different things.

[Rat Mentor]

You know I wonder if the death at the end of Reapers Gale might be Fear?

Bloodeye and Ruin finally meet but Fear fights Bloodeye in revenge for the treatment of the Edur and for the lies which can be laid at Bloodeye's door, Bloodeye then kills Fear in a sword fight? Just a thought....

[Dolorous Menhir]

I can't really imagine the hint-droppers being so torn up about Fear dying though. He's had what, one POV?

And before that he was pretty unsympathetic - it would take some serious storytime in RG to get people emotionally invested in him.

I think Kallor meant Rake was going to die. Or at least that's what he wants us to think.

[Monoch Ochem]

Missed that one... What's Pallor gone and said now? Big death?...what????

[buddhacat]

I thought Pallor's reference was to Tehol's death (he is among the most popular characters.) Personally, I would be disappointed if Rake even shows up in the main narrative of RG. There are already more than enough big-ass fighters and threads going on there.

I am more looking forward to another of Pallor's comments: Something about how he now knows "...more about these lizards...."

[Shadow_God]

I think Icarium dies. Not sure how SE will work it, but his death would be more sympathetic than Fear's or Karsa's (or any of the draconics outside of Rake), and will fix the problem of both Karsa and Icarium facing the emperor, which certainly suggests that one of them goes first and dies. He's already tragic, doesn't have a prophesied future (as Karsa does), and his character is as developed as, say, Whiskeyjack's was.

[Folken]

It's already been answered that its not Rake that dies in RG.

[Aptorian]

Jen said:

It's already been answered that its not Rake that dies in RG.

I also think that it's been mentioned that some people along with me don't like spoilers stating "Don't worry he doesn't die".

I read that spoiler a long time ago but I'd blissfully forgotten it and had returned to worrying for the health of "The Son of Darkness"...

*smacks his head against the table until all knowledge is gone*

What were we talking about?

[Abyss]

I could be wrong, but iirc, it was only stated that Rake's wasn't the specific death being ref'd by the poster. NOT that Rake himself, or anyone, was death-proof.

- Abyss, sees death people.

[Clip]

Dolorous Menhir;157888 said:

You kind of got the impression that Ruin didn't really care that much about what Scabby did to him. No doubt Scabby would recognise him as a threat and hunt him down, but I don't see Ruin making the same moves. I'm hoping Scabandari becomes a well-fleshed out and even sympathetic character.

ARGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BLOODEYE IS DEAD! AS DEAD AS CAN BE! Just because he has his power in a Finnest doesnt mean he will be ressurected. His physical body has been destroyed! I don't care what any synopsis says. He's dead.

Besides I think everyone is taking the Tiste Soletaken far to seriously. Humans are now the dominant lifeform, more powerful than most of the old species, look at the T'Lan Imass dying on Assail, at Tool losing to the third, etc etc.. the list goes on. We should be more worried about how the human characters can screw up expetations, not any tiste Soletaken. Except Anomander of course. But I doubt he'll show up in RG, he just settled in Coral, why would he leave? He doesnt care about his brothers anymore.

So, for this reason I think that Humans will play a much larger role in RG.

[Illuyankas]

Draconus. Toc. The Bridgeburners. Coltaine. Talamandas.

Their physical bodies have been destroyed (Hedge is back, after a CUSSER). They're not 'dead'. There's no reason to think Scabby won't be active as well.

[Clip]

well, sure, but Bloodeye doesnt have any power even if he somehow survived. Also I always thought that Ruin was going to try and destroy the finnest in which Bloodeyes power is stuck in.

Bloodeye's situation is completely differnt from all those others, they all had there soul shifted to another place, and in the case of Hedge he ascended didnt he, along with the Bridgeburners...

Silchas Ruin is by far the coolest name that fantasy authors have come up with so far...

[Illuyankas]

So, all of them had their souls removed to somewhere else, but because it's a finnest, Scabby's now perma-dead? Since when is a finnest not another place?

[Dolorous Menhir]

The implication throughout MT seemed to clearly be that Scabby could and would return. Fear actually showed Trull the skull of Scabby, and yet he still seemed to think he could go off in a boat and find Scabby somewhere in the world. Scabby will be back and I'm sure he'll get to talk to Ruin and/or Rake.

[Clip]

well, I tend to ignore the Tiste right now, since they're actually not a omnipitant and powerful as some of the humans wandering around, Quick, Triban Gnol, Iron Bars, all those characters. I expect to see some Tiste ass kicked in RG.

[Monoch Ochem]

clip;159634 said:

I expect to see some Tiste ass kicked in RG.

Boy wouldn't I love to see that too!

Be warned though Clip, Raest and his power were separated by a finnest. Scabby's soul (and everything else but his corporeal existence) are trapped in a finnest. Should it get out, it could still be quite formidable.

The big death could be the Eres..she's the only one seemingly powerful enough to take on the CG's protagonists. Not even the CG sorcery seems able to defeat hers... At this rate she could single-handedly unravel a lot of his schemes and what would SE have to write about then? I also though it could be Icarium..him understanding it all finally, at the end of TB, could be the resignation and acceptance of death as HIS only solution. He might just not fight back...especially if he meets Karsa beforehand and feels that Karsa is enough to deal with Rhulad.

Speculation overload....