[James Hetfield]

K, I recieved Hunters of Dune for Christmas, thought it would be better than Brian's other books since it was at least outlined by the late Frank Herbert, man was I dissapointed. The old man and lady, that Frank had so brilliantly created, were none other than Omnius and his wanna be human bitch. Are we gonna see a repeat of Machine series? How the fuck are these two retarded machines going to come up with better face dancers than the tlelaxu could? In the Machine series Omnius and Erasmus were one-way thinking machines(portrayed) and now all of a sudden their technology has exceded anything Humans could come up with? Give me a break!

Brian and Kevin's inconsistencies have all but ruined Frank's work for me. I know you can't expect miracles from morons but I would think they would try a little harder or get someone else to co-write with Brian.

On an up note, I thought the whole Bringing back Paul and LetoII was pretty cool. Not so much the others, especially the Baron.

[Cause]

What how can they be the old man and lady? You mean the ones shown only briefly at the end of the series. They claim to be face dancers themselves. Thats why the tlelaxu masters alwasy try to whistle at them. It cant make sense they are machines can it? Is it explained?

[James Hetfield]

Not Face Dancers Omnius and Erasmus. They created superior face dancers but the old man and lady are none other than the two bumbling machines. Kinda a let down, I know. Supposedly Omnius sent out replicas of himself and one of them found a planet to thrive on, creating a huge galaxy of machines with far greater technology to anything ever heard of. It took 15,000 years but they did it. They took face dancers from the Scattering and made them better. I didn't write the damned story.

[The Crazy Mob]

Well i think i'll not bother with that then. I did like the real dune books by Frank Herbert but the others by Kevin and Brian have been soooooooooo bad.

[Cause]

but Im sure I recall in the book the old man and lady state they are face dancers no question. Also how can the computers be in bodies? So whose going to sort them out then. Not the bene gesseriet I hope.

One thing I always found strange about the dune books is that in the bene gesseriet and honoured matrons you get the idea that women in that universe are stronger than the men despite a serius male prejudice but men in the form of paul and leto can be greater than even women but they are the exception. Seemed some wierd battle of the sexes all the time

[Folken]

Chapterhouse: Dune - pg 432

"I don't see why. It's a natural consequence. They gave us the power to absorb the meories and experiences or our people. Gather enough of those and..."
"it's personas we take, Marty."
"Whaterver. The masters should've known we would gather enough of them one day to make our own decisions about our own future."

...okay SO...you're telling me...that Brian and Kevin have made THOSE TWO into machines? Folken is glad he did not buy the book now

15page discussion on dune novels forum...not sure how much of it actually deals with the topic but
http://www.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...der=asc&start=0

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

This is why I never read a ripoff of a masterpiece written by a different author. I love Dune, and refuse to touch any Dune book written by anyone but Frank Herbert. Glad I made that decision. I also won't read books by Tolkien's son, etc. It cuts down on those stressful "WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING TO MY FAVORITE BOOKS!?!?!?!?" moments.

[Werthead]

What new stories set in Middle-earth has Christopher Tolkien written?

:confused:

[The Crazy Mob]

He's doing the narn ui hin hurin (or something like that) but its ALL his dads work just re-edited by the person who was always there with him when he was writing it. He's been offered loads to write some himself and he's always turned it down, thats what annoys me so about Brian Herbert.

[Werthead]

Traveller;151410 said:

He's doing the narn ui hin hurin (or something like that) but its ALL his dads work just re-edited by the person who was always there with him when he was writing it. He's been offered loads to write some himself and he's always turned it down, thats what annoys me so about Brian Herbert.

Exactly. CT has never written nor originated any original Middle-earth material by himself. He's published his father's drafts (all 100% written by JRRT) with some footnotes. That's it. Refusing to read The Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales because Christopher Tolkien edited them is like refusing to read Malazan because Steven Erikson sometimes changes stuff at the suggestion of his editor.

The Children of Hurin may be a somewhat different matter, as I have a hard time believing that CT could make a coherent story out of just combining three different narratives written in three periods seperated by multiple decades together. However, given his extreme fidelity to his father's work, I'm sure he hasn't pulled a Brian Herbert on us.

[Imperium Corruo]

I'd prefer they simply publish Frank Herbert's original notes that this seventh book is supposedly based on, with only minimal editing for clarification and readability. I'd rather pay for the author's true vision than the fluff currently being put out.

At least have the original notes as an appendix so we can tell just how much is Frank's vision and how much is Brian's "artistic" license.

[Tattooed Hand]

To be fair the real problem with the latter Dune books is that Brian and Kevin can't write good fiction. Period. They might be following Frank Herbert's notes faithfully, but they just can't narrate worth squat. The prose is like water, sort of like The Da Vinci code or Danielle Steele.