[Obdigore]

Hey, just because he misremembered the quote dosent mean he is thickskulled.

I am sure you (Onrack) were saying that this is a fact, and not something to be argued about, but the way the comment was written could be considered inflamitory to some.

[Bl1nder]

Hetan beat me to it, but aye, Draconus is not Edgewalker, we got poof in MoI, where Nightchill tells Paran that Draconus cannot interact with the outside world, and that Paran was the only way he didi affect it, by talking to him.

Spoiler

Thanks to the prologue of Reaper's Gale, we know Scabby is indeed stuck in a bottle for some time.

As for who Edgewalker is, I believe we will all be surpised, since he himself said hes a Elemental force, what if he was lying? He might be the Crippled god himself as far as we know

[Dolorous Menhir]

Bl1nder;147569 said:

Hetan beat me to it, but aye, Draconus is not Edgewalker, we got poof in MoI, where Nightchill tells Paran that Draconus cannot interact with the outside world, and that Paran was the only way he didi affect it, by talking to him. Thanks to the prologue of Reaper's Gale, we know Scabby is indeed stuck in a bottle for some time.
As for who Edgewalker is, I believe we will all be surpised, since he himself said hes a Elemental force, what if he was lying? He might be the Crippled god himself as far as we know

That's you up to three spoiler posts today, Blinder. I know we all slip sometimes, but you definitely need to be more careful. Have a look at this html tutorial:

http://www.malazanem...c.php?do=bbcode

[Bl1nder]

I dont really slip mate, I just dont know how to post them in black
oo cheers for the tuttorial <3

[Monoch Ochem]

Well, they're not really spoilers are they? I mean, the RG prologue's destined for the back of TB anyway...

I guess.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Well, it still comes from the book after this forum. I take issue with the statement too:

Spoiler

Why do you think Scabby is "stuck in a bottle"? A Finnest, of course, but how do you get from there to a bottle? We've got no idea what that Finnest is.

[Bl1nder]

Ah dolorous, I dont know why, but i just imagine "it" as a bottle, when something doesnt have a discription I make one for my self, altought its completley wrong it gives me something to imagine while reading to book. Somethimes it can be anoing, since everytime i read the books, I always imagine Quick Ben, as a tall bloke with curly hair, and reddish white skin, despite SE's description, I just cant help it . So yeah I hope thats sufficient explanation

[GardenGnome]

I thought "stuck in a bottle" was a reference to the djinn in a bottle myth? You now, 1001 nights etc.

As for the spoiler: It's not a major one, and Hetan did it first The only difference, that I can see, is that she was more precise in what she said, and she didn't mention the source... But she still editted Bl1nder's post, and not her own.

[Bl1nder]

So, shall we go back on the original discussion, and leave my ignorance behaind ?

[Onrack the breakable]

Sorry, I just like saying people are thick skulled. I mean people in general. I wasn't thinking of any person in particular.

Anyway, Telorast and Curdle seem like they were once pretty powerful and even as ghosts are amusing and interesting. I would like to see more of their story. Whoever killed them (they are ghosts after all) must have been powerful and clever. I think it might've been Edgewalker -whoever he is.

'If we don't, Edgewalker will be very unhappy with us, Curdle. You don't want that, do you? Hes been unhappy with us before, or have you forgotten?'

'Fine! You didn't have to bring that up, did you?'


Here is something interesting about Edgewalker which makes me think he is Draconus and that Cotillion suspects this as well.

"Cotillion shrugged. 'I was asking about the Soultaken. Scabandari, Anomandaris, Osserc, Olar Ethil, Draconus-'

Edgewalker spoke behind him: 'Cotillion, surely you have surmised by now that these three dragons sought the Shadow Throne for honorable reasons?'

Like Cotillion intentionally threw out the name Draconus as bait, fishing. Draconus is an elder god as everyone knows. Why mention him as lesser, mere soultaken?

a few sentences later Cotillion continues 'The Tiste Andii for Anomandaris, ..Tiste Liosan for Osserc. The T'lan Imass for Olar Ethil. These connections and the loyaltys born of them are obvious. Draconus is more of a mystery, of course, since he has been gone a long time-" [this while speaking to Edgewalker and 3 dragons- more amusing mummery]

'The most reviled of them all!' Eloth shrieked,...

Notice how every time the name Draconus is mentioned, someone inturrupts. Its almost funny the first time when Edgewalker inturrupts. If he is not Draconus then he is someone close as a brother or conteporary enemy. Also consider it likely that at least half of all Edgewalker and the chained dragons say is an outright lie...

Anyway, this is about Telorast and Curdle and I mentioned all that because it seems likely to me it was Edgewalker who killed them, and whatever anyone else (aside from SE himself) says I think Edgewalker is Draconus.

[Dolorous Menhir]

It's most amusing that you call others "thick-skulled," Onrack. Since you insist on clinging to Edgewalker = Draconus in the face of all evidence.

The conversation you cite between Cotillion, the three chained dragons and Edgewalker doesn't prove Edgewalker is Draconus at all. For one thing, the interruptions you mention all come after Draconus is mentioned. If the other parties were trying to keep Cotillion off the subject of Draconus, they did a very bad job of it.

For another, the chained dragons would know that Edgewalker was Draconus and so not speak of him as if not present. And you seem to be suggesting that the interruptions are part of a strategy to stop Cotillion connecting Draconus to EW. If that was the case, then the dragons would be actively colluding with EW to keep his identity as Draconus from Cotillion. I see no reason why this would be.

Lastly, Draconus is just not Edgewalker. I don't know why you are so attached to this idea, but it is plain wrong. Draconus is an Elder God, living human in appearance, trapped in Dragnipur and utterly unable to influence the outside world except via conversation with Paran. Edgewalker is (maybe) an Elemental or another Elder, trapped in Shadow, of undead human visage and with a different manner. They are not the same entity.

[Jimmy]

Jen said:

If them two are dragons btw...are they pure bloods? or mixed? If they're mixed it would make sense that they stayed back and could have been killed after the whole sundering of KE bit. They could also have tried to take the Throne of Shadow at a later time (we know Shadow has seen other rulers after the sundering), and Rake or somebody came and smacked them silly.

If they're pure then well I'm confused as to why they would still be here. We know of 4 pure blood dragons 3 got owned by Rake and the other is shagging Rake lol

Which 3 dragons has Rake Killed? Also where is it mentioned?

[Folken]

Not saying that they were killed by Rake...just got owed by him in a fight. The three locked up dragons that we meet in Bonehunters that have the conversation with Dancer and Edgewalker.

[Bl1nder]

Something more against the argument that EW is Draconus. WHy in the world would those dragons keep EW identity secret? I mean if they were his allies, he would of freed them by now. And Nightchill did tell Paran that Draconus cannot intercat with the outside world, and there was no reason for her to lie to him