[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 28 December 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Abyss, on 28 December 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 December 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Just got an iPad finally on Boxing Day, and downloaded Comixology with an eye to dropping more than half my physical pull list to digital...tempted to get Hickman's FF run in the meanwhile...I'll PROBABLY join Abyss in the Marvel Unlimited. I mean $10/month is hard to beat.

Stop fighting it... It's sick value in terms of reading entertainment for dollar.

I did it, (they have a $10 for both the first and second month deal right now) and I've spent all day knee deep in Hickman's FF...which is phenomenal!

What should I dip into after that?

This is really addictive BTW Abyss, I hold you personaly responsible.

I can live with the guilt.
Here's the thing... Once you're done with his FF run, most other things suffer by comparison. ....But, I firmly suggest following the search by author function for Hickman and devouring his SECRET WARRIORS series, which is probably one of the bestest SHIELD stories ever.
Then search by event and look at INFINITY. Pick the key Avengers books and go back about six months, get caught up on all of them before the crossover, then read INFINITY. It's suitably epic and enjoyable.
After THAT... If you haven't read it, I suggest Remender's Xforce run, then the xbooks collectively the MESSIAH crossovers, thru Schism, up to AvX, which also lets you jump into Remender's UNCANNY AVENGERS, which picks up some of the threads of his Xforce run.
After THAT..... fuck, I dunno .... I'm lining up BATTLE OF THE ATOM next myself.

[Stormcat]

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Just reread RAT QUEENS vol 1... Fuck me but that is some glorious fun beautiful to look at funny books work. I'm glad they've found a replacement for Upchurch bcs it would be a frikkin shame to leave this story lie.

I love the new artist. I was really worried that it would suck but I really really like the new artist and I almost think he draws them better than the original. The Braga short they released was totally awesome.

I got Saga Vol 4 finally and it was good. Not totally amazing but good enough that I will keep reading. I picked up Revival, The Pack and Ruse, Enter the Detective out of the re-sell bin.

Any opinions on, "Low" ? I really could not stand Black Science. I tried. I put it down and recently tried again and I just really don't like it. Anything else out there to recommend to me? Amazon wants me to get Dead Letters and East West. Opinions?

[Studlock]

I think I have an overall controversial opinion on Rick Remender in that if you've read one RR work you've read all of them. Low in particular is on the lower end of that scale in which, for me at least, has probably some of the worst depictions of women in modern comics. In issue two a main character has sex with a prostitute, doesn't pay her, and when he's confronted by the prostitutes pimp shot's her and then blames the pimp for it. And we're suppose to sympathize with this character because he's clearly the stereotypical RR protagonist. The other main character, a woman, is heavily hinted at giving sexual favours to get said character out of jail, who's her son. It's a really bad writing. The art of the other hand is great, the lines are fluid and packed with detail, basically everytime you look it over again there is something new to look at. The colours are great as well and go well with the overall theme of the book (which is surprisingly 'optimism'), they're vibrant and with wonderful palette. If you want to dip back into RR I would highly suggest Deadly Class which I think is probably his best work to date, and pretty much the only one I consider better than entertaining/average.

I do highly recommend East of West though, it's a pretty sweeping tale of the apocalypse set in a alt-historical/future North America. It has great pacing, great characters, and great art. If you're looking for more sci-fi though I would suggest looking into Copperhead, Prophet, or Trees. They're all pretty good in there own ways.

PS. I totally agree with you on the replacement artist for Rat Queens, I feared the change because Upchurch's character work was so expressive but that pretty much picked the perfect replacement in Sejic.

This post has been edited by Studlock: 01 January 2015 - 04:26 PM

[QuickTidal]

Stormcat, on 01 January 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

Anything else out there to recommend to me? Amazon wants me to get Dead Letters and East West. Opinions?

EAST OF WEST is Hickman excellence coupled with Nick Dragotta's stunning art. It's better read in collections though as the story is complex, but it's EXCELLENT.

[Abyss]

Stormcat, on 01 January 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

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Just reread RAT QUEENS vol 1... Fuck me but that is some glorious fun beautiful to look at funny books work. I'm glad they've found a replacement for Upchurch bcs it would be a frikkin shame to leave this story lie.

I love the new artist. I was really worried that it would suck but I really really like the new artist and I almost think he draws them better than the original. The Braga short they released was totally awesome.

Glad to read it, I was wondering.

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I got Saga Vol 4 finally and it was good. Not totally amazing but good enough that I will keep reading. ... I really could not stand Black Science. I tried. I put it down and recently tried again and I just really don't like it. Anything else out there to recommend to me? Amazon wants me to get Dead Letters and East West. Opinions?

More Saga4, I just finished it, and while enjoyable, yeah, it lacked the level of wow the first three consistently delivered. I can't pretend not to be engaged tho... The end of ch19 viscerally disturbed me with a single line of narration.

Studlock, on 01 January 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

I think I have an overall controversial opinion on Rick Remender in that if you've read one RR work you've read all of them. ...

I disagree as far as his Marvel work goes. I haven't read his other stuff.

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I do highly recommend East of West though, it's a pretty sweeping tale of the apocalypse set in a alt-historical/future North America. It has great pacing, great characters, and great art.

QuickTidal, on 01 January 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Stormcat, on 01 January 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

Anything else out there to recommend to me? Amazon wants me to get Dead Letters and East West. Opinions?

EAST OF WEST is Hickman excellence coupled with Nick Dragotta's stunning art. It's better read in collections though as the story is complex, but it's EXCELLENT.

I haven't read it yet, but based on Hickman's Marvel work and QTs reco the first three trades are atop my GNTRP.

[QuickTidal]

Finished Hickman's FF run on Marvel Meth, and that bastard made me cry! Gods what an amazingly crafted story arc! Fuck me, I loved that.

Now onto his AVENGERS run and probably INFINITY and might start GOD IS DEAD on Comixology too.

[Luperci]

Abyss, on 29 December 2014 - 02:33 AM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 December 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Abyss, on 28 December 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 December 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Just got an iPad finally on Boxing Day, and downloaded Comixology with an eye to dropping more than half my physical pull list to digital...tempted to get Hickman's FF run in the meanwhile...I'll PROBABLY join Abyss in the Marvel Unlimited. I mean $10/month is hard to beat.

Stop fighting it... It's sick value in terms of reading entertainment for dollar.

I did it, (they have a $10 for both the first and second month deal right now) and I've spent all day knee deep in Hickman's FF...which is phenomenal!

What should I dip into after that?

This is really addictive BTW Abyss, I hold you personaly responsible.

I can live with the guilt.
Here's the thing... Once you're done with his FF run, most other things suffer by comparison. ....But, I firmly suggest following the search by author function for Hickman and devouring his SECRET WARRIORS series, which is probably one of the bestest SHIELD stories ever.
Then search by event and look at INFINITY. Pick the key Avengers books and go back about six months, get caught up on all of them before the crossover, then read INFINITY. It's suitably epic and enjoyable.
After THAT... If you haven't read it, I suggest Remender's Xforce run, then the xbooks collectively the MESSIAH crossovers, thru Schism, up to AvX, which also lets you jump into Remender's UNCANNY AVENGERS, which picks up some of the threads of his Xforce run.
After THAT..... fuck, I dunno .... I'm lining up BATTLE OF THE ATOM next myself.

Im pretty tempted to follow this advice and start looking for used TPB's on amazaon and what not. Right now I've been trying to dig into the classic Cosmic Universe since I don't have an understanding of Thanos and the Infinity storyline. Whats your suggestion for someone who is new to most of the Marvel scene and wants to start getting into X-Force/Uncanny Xmen starting at the beginning, I've heard that after (Leifield?) X-Force wasn't that great but I've great things about the new volume in 08 I believe when they went with a different cast. I've been trying to jump into the late 80/90's X Universe scene but sometimes its hard to wrap my head around it all because their just so much material and too many reviews going both ways to get a clear picture of what should be bought and read and what should be skipped over so I don't waste $$.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 03 January 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

Finished Hickman's FF run on Marvel Meth, and that bastard made me cry! Gods what an amazingly crafted story arc! Fuck me, I loved that.

I KNOW. And not manly tears either... That line in the finale... You know the one... I wept like a child for sheer fucking joy of what I was reading.
I have read a shit tonne of comics in my years on this planet... I don't even like the Fantastic Four....but this... This was art. Epic literary visual storytelling art.

CapedCrusader, on 04 January 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

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this is really addictive BTW Abyss, I hold you personaly responsible.

I can live with the guilt.
Here's the thing... Once you're done with his FF run, most other things suffer by comparison. ....But, I firmly suggest following the search by author function for Hickman and devouring his SECRET WARRIORS series, which is probably one of the bestest SHIELD stories ever.
Then search by event and look at INFINITY. Pick the key Avengers books and go back about six months, get caught up on all of them before the crossover, then read INFINITY. It's suitably epic and enjoyable.
After THAT... If you haven't read it, I suggest Remender's Xforce run, then the xbooks collectively the MESSIAH crossovers, thru Schism, up to AvX, which also lets you jump into Remender's UNCANNY AVENGERS, which picks up some of the threads of his Xforce run.
After THAT..... fuck, I dunno .... I'm lining up BATTLE OF THE ATOM next myself.

Im pretty tempted to follow this advice and start looking for used TPB's on amazaon and what not. Right now I've been trying to dig into the classic Cosmic Universe since I don't have an understanding of Thanos and the Infinity storyline. Whats your suggestion for someone who is new to most of the Marvel scene and wants to start getting into X-Force/Uncanny Xmen starting at the beginning, I've heard that after (Leifield?) X-Force wasn't that great but I've great things about the new volume in 08 I believe when they went with a different cast. I've been trying to jump into the late 80/90's X Universe scene but sometimes its hard to wrap my head around it all because their just so much material and too many reviews going both ways to get a clear picture of what should be bought and read and what should be skipped over so I don't waste $.

My advice to most people is pick a writer or writer artist team you like or have heard good things about and follow them. Marvel being Mavel the crossovers will bring you into contact with other writers and their work and books and you can backtrack to catch up with each as they catch your attention.
That said, you've identified a pretty specific era you want to read... I still think the Marvel Unlimited App is your entry drug of choice because for sheer dollar value the mass of comics you'll get will exceed anything you can find even second hand and they're adding new old stuff all the time.
iif it's 80s ish Xmen you want, I suggest starting around UNCANNY XMEN 200. Claremont is at the height of his skill and you'll get the background on most of the key characters and stories leading to more modern stuff. If you pick up the expanded book chronologically... XFACTOR, NEW MUTANTS, WOLVERINE... You'll enjoy the run. Comicsvine is an excellent website for plotting out this sort of thing, btw.
I don't reco starting with Liefeld. Without the history it's just bad art and mediocre storylines and Deadpool not nearly as funny as he eventually will be.

[Alrin]

Abyss, on 05 January 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

CapedCrusader, on 04 January 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

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this is really addictive BTW Abyss, I hold you personaly responsible.

I can live with the guilt.
Here's the thing... Once you're done with his FF run, most other things suffer by comparison. ....But, I firmly suggest following the search by author function for Hickman and devouring his SECRET WARRIORS series, which is probably one of the bestest SHIELD stories ever.
Then search by event and look at INFINITY. Pick the key Avengers books and go back about six months, get caught up on all of them before the crossover, then read INFINITY. It's suitably epic and enjoyable.
After THAT... If you haven't read it, I suggest Remender's Xforce run, then the xbooks collectively the MESSIAH crossovers, thru Schism, up to AvX, which also lets you jump into Remender's UNCANNY AVENGERS, which picks up some of the threads of his Xforce run.
After THAT..... fuck, I dunno .... I'm lining up BATTLE OF THE ATOM next myself.

Im pretty tempted to follow this advice and start looking for used TPB's on amazaon and what not. Right now I've been trying to dig into the classic Cosmic Universe since I don't have an understanding of Thanos and the Infinity storyline. Whats your suggestion for someone who is new to most of the Marvel scene and wants to start getting into X-Force/Uncanny Xmen starting at the beginning, I've heard that after (Leifield?) X-Force wasn't that great but I've great things about the new volume in 08 I believe when they went with a different cast. I've been trying to jump into the late 80/90's X Universe scene but sometimes its hard to wrap my head around it all because their just so much material and too many reviews going both ways to get a clear picture of what should be bought and read and what should be skipped over so I don't waste $.

My advice to most people is pick a writer or writer artist team you like or have heard good things about and follow them. Marvel being Mavel the crossovers will bring you into contact with other writers and their work and books and you can backtrack to catch up with each as they catch your attention.
That said, you've identified a pretty specific era you want to read... I still think the Marvel Unlimited App is your entry drug of choice because for sheer dollar value the mass of comics you'll get will exceed anything you can find even second hand and they're adding new old stuff all the time.
iif it's 80s ish Xmen you want, I suggest starting around UNCANNY XMEN 200. Claremont is at the height of his skill and you'll get the background on most of the key characters and stories leading to more modern stuff. If you pick up the expanded book chronologically... XFACTOR, NEW MUTANTS, WOLVERINE... You'll enjoy the run. Comicsvine is an excellent website for plotting out this sort of thing, btw.
I don't reco starting with Liefeld. Without the history it's just bad art and mediocre storylines and Deadpool not nearly as funny as he eventually will be.

Sounds like you want to read Claremont. But if it's the '08 run of UXF you're keen to jump aboard you needn't go back that far. You could conceivably start with Messiah Complex, which re-introduces X-Force, move onto Second Coming, which introduces Uncanny X-Force, and then move onto Remender's title of the same name.
To get the most from Modern X-Books, I suggest reading Grant Morrison's NEW X-MEN run, issues #114-154. Then Joss Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN, issues #1-24. Then MESSIAH COMPLEX, then SECOND COMING, and then Remender's UNCANNY X-FORCE. His Uncanny Avengers run touches upon ideas first developed in UXF and has some high points (the third trade, Ragnarok Now, in particular), but it's not really necessary and you'll find yourself reading AXIS if you follow the course and, well, you don't really want that. Plus, UXF is just so good and ends so well, it's a nice place to step back and take a break from the X-Books for a while.

That's when you should switch over to Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers combo and prep for Infinity/Time Runs Out/Secret Wars!!

EDIT: And to get the most from Hickman's Avengers' you need to read both in tandem. If you skip out on New Avengers (the better title!) you're only getting half the story.

This post has been edited by Alrin: 06 January 2015 - 01:36 PM

[QuickTidal]

Finished Hickman's INFINITY (great stuff, loved the ending) and read his AVENGERS line till the first Marvel Sin Crossover issue (which I plan to go back and read as an event) so I went back to his SECRET WARRIORS run and started that. I'm impressed with how much was plumbed from this to make CAP 2 and AGENTS OF SHEILD....aside from Skye (Daisy - Quake), you've got Von Strucker, Hydra running Shield covertly for decades and then both "falling" and Nick Fury setting up a new covert team after the fact to fight those threats...it's not a copy or anything, but they obviously used the series as a source to snag ideas from. Well played Marvel, well played.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 06 January 2015 - 03:03 PM

[Abyss]

Alrin, on 06 January 2015 - 01:19 PM, said:

...To get the most from Modern X-Books, I suggest reading Grant Morrison's NEW X-MEN run, issues #114-154. Then Joss Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN, issues #1-24. Then MESSIAH COMPLEX, then SECOND COMING, and then Remender's UNCANNY X-FORCE. His Uncanny Avengers run touches upon ideas first developed in UXF and has some high points (the third trade, Ragnarok Now, in particular)...

Solid plan focusing on the more modern stuff. I think starting with the older Claremont era gives move context and flavor to all this... Morrison and Whedon are both brilliant, but at heart that's because of their love for what Claremont did back when he was in his prime.

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That's when you should switch over to Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers combo and prep for Infinity/Time Runs Out/Secret Wars!!
EDIT: And to get the most from Hickman's Avengers' you need to read both in tandem. If you skip out on New Avengers (the better title!) you're only getting half the story.

True this. My approach with INFINITY was to scan the Event list, then read each core book for about six issues before the crossover.

QuickTidal, on 06 January 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Finished Hickman's INFINITY (great stuff, loved the ending) and read his AVENGERS line till the first Marvel Sin Crossover issue (which I plan to go back and read as an event) so I went back to his SECRET WARRIORS run and started that. I'm impressed with how much was plumbed from this to make CAP 2 and AGENTS OF SHEILD....aside from Skye (Daisy - Quake), you've got Von Strucker, Hydra running Shield covertly for decades and then both "falling" and Nick Fury setting up a new covert team after the fact to fight those threats...it's not a copy or anything, but they obviously used the series as a source to snag ideas from. Well played Marvel, well played.

S'funny, i loved everything about INFINITY except the ending(s). Decent, great only in parts.

AGENT CARTER seems to be picking up on some SECRET WARRIORS elements too. Too soon to say how much, but there were hints in the premiere.
SWARRIORS was my first Hickman and pretty much nailed me down as a fan. He has a near Erikson tendency to expect his readers to keep up, he respects the history, but he's perfectly happy to twist it for the story, and he writes some pretty great characters.

[blackzoid]

Nice to see Transformers get a bit more exposure:

http://www.tor.com/b...n-meets-the-eye

[QuickTidal]

Announcement coming today at 3PM EST about the latest event Marvel's SECRET WARS...written by Jonathan Hickman (Art by Esad Ribic!)...which guarantees I'll read it.

Anyways, go here when the time comes for the announcement.

http://marvel.com/co...ecret_wars_2015

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 13 January 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

Announcement coming today at 3PM EST about the latest event Marvel's SECRET WARS...written by Jonathan Hickman (Art by Esad Ribic!)...which guarantees I'll read it.

Anyways, go here when the time comes for the announcement.

http://marvel.com/co...ecret_wars_2015

If they announce that they are restarting the entire Marvel Universe with across the board issue #1s (NuMU!), i am going to get brutally hate-drunk and then go on a monstrous hate-post spree.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 13 January 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 13 January 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

Announcement coming today at 3PM EST about the latest event Marvel's SECRET WARS...written by Jonathan Hickman (Art by Esad Ribic!)...which guarantees I'll read it.

Anyways, go here when the time comes for the announcement.

http://marvel.com/co...ecret_wars_2015

If they announce that they are restarting the entire Marvel Universe with across the board issue #1s (NuMU!), i am going to get brutally hate-drunk and then go on a monstrous hate-post spree.

I don't think they are. They MIGHT be blitzing the 616 universe...but I feel like the titles will go on just in new ways.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 13 January 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

Abyss, on 13 January 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 13 January 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

Announcement coming today at 3PM EST about the latest event Marvel's SECRET WARS...written by Jonathan Hickman (Art by Esad Ribic!)...which guarantees I'll read it.

Anyways, go here when the time comes for the announcement.

http://marvel.com/co...ecret_wars_2015

If they announce that they are restarting the entire Marvel Universe with across the board issue #1s (NuMU!), i am going to get brutally hate-drunk and then go on a monstrous hate-post spree.

I don't think they are. They MIGHT be blitzing the 616 universe...but I feel like the titles will go on just in new ways.

So it amounted to 'Hickman is brilliant, buy Secret Wars!' .

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 14 January 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

So it amounted to 'Hickman is brilliant, buy Secret Wars!' .

It sounds like the idea is for Battleworld to be used as a means to merge the (now useless) Ultimate universe with the 616 and jettison everything but the good ideas (like Miles Morales Spiderman), leaving the 616 on its own again, leaner and more in line with the movie franchises.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 28 January 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

Abyss, on 14 January 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

So it amounted to 'Hickman is brilliant, buy Secret Wars!' .

It sounds like the idea is for Battleworld to be used as a means to merge the (now useless) Ultimate universe with the 616 and jettison everything but the good ideas (like Miles Morales Spiderman), leaving the 616 on its own again, leaner and more in line with the movie franchises.

There's a rumour a couple of characters from the SPIDERVERSE thing may make the jump as well, notably Spider-Gwen, and of course Miles.

Another rumour that there's a Spidey there whose marriage to MJ was never magic'd out and he's otherwise the same, so they may pull a reality switch. Or something.

And something about Sabertooth becoming a goodguy... again... but whatever, that happens every other year or so and it'll last til Wolverine finishes being dead again.

...why yes, i HAVE achieved terminal cynical velocity, why do you ask?

[QuickTidal]

I'll just be happy the 616 not only will survive but will once again *for the first time in how many years?) become the defacto Marvel Universe again!

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 28 January 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

I'll just be happy the 616 not only will survive but will once again *for the first time in how many years?) become the defacto Marvel Universe again!

When was it not, other than about 20min back in the 90s when the original Ultimate books came and went and the comics press was all 'oh noes it's replacing continuity heavy 616!!!!'?