[Aptorian]

I just finished the third volume. Not nearly as bad as I was fearing from peoples remarks here in this thread... still not as good as the first season.

I think what really annoyed me in this season was the continued weird act of Sylar. First he's bad, then he's good, then he's amoral, then he pretends to be good, the he's good again, then he becomes really evil... bla, bla, bla. By the ending I no longer understood what the hell was up with him. Did he not show Daddy Peterellis power to just take peoples power? We saw him take Electrical girls powers that way, but then for no apparent reason he just returns to carving up people heads, makes no sense at all. And if he really is disgusted by his own actions, then why not use his own jesus blood to reawaken the people he kills after he annalyzes them? We saw that Adam and Cheerleaders blood had that power when they rewived Cheerleaders dad from the bullet in the head.

[Boonus]

Apparently they have dropped time travel from the series because it was messing everything up....


think about it no more plot holes soooo big they should be called chasms

http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=18872
-decent article but only relevant bit is in last paragraph.

This post has been edited by Boonus: 21 December 2008 - 10:31 PM

[Traveller]

I quite enjoyed it, despite huge obvious unresolved plot holes chasms (mostly involving time travel).

I think I'd have enjoyed it more if the powers were more as they appeared in season one - random, genetic evolutionary changes, triggered in a variety of different people.

Not tranferable, removable 'effects'; the whole formula plot was a bit weak, and having Peter injecting himself and getting powers in the same instant was a bit crap really.

At least a lot got tied up and finished, so the next chapter can move on and away from weird 'facilities.'

Hang on, how did Linderman keep reappearing to people after he was dead...?

Think I missed that explanation, it must have got sucked into the same plot hole as Arthur's 'people locating' skill.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 22 December 2008 - 02:30 PM

[Grief]

Linderman was an illusion created by Matts dad originally, iirc.
Thus why he could have peoples hands through him.

[Trotts]

All in all I did enjoy S3. It was predictable, it was not all that unique. Probably part of my enjoyment was that it was a step above S2, but certainly not as good as S1. I agree with what a lot of people said, S1 was awesome because it was so 'real people, unreal powers, trying to cope' but how long could they really carry that on? Im not saying S2/S3 did it, but the show needed to evolve in a way that kept them learning to use their powers in a more realistic manner.

I will also agree, the whole formula thing was ridiculous. All it takes is the injection of some protein or whatever to suddenly create marvelous powers.

However, I did really like Sylars confusion. This season was about villains. Sylar is not one. And heroes. Again, not Sylar. So it makes sense that he kept switching sides, trying to figure his place out. Especially with the blatant using of him by others.

[Traveller]

Grief, on Dec 22 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

Linderman was an illusion created by Matts dad originally, iirc.
Thus why he could have peoples hands through him.

Ahh.. of course. I knew that really.

[caladanbrood]

Trotts, on Dec 22 2008, 03:21 PM, said:

I will also agree, the whole formula thing was ridiculous. All it takes is the injection of some protein or whatever to suddenly create marvelous powers.

This was actually quite well explained. It made sense, scientifically, provided that you ignore the fact that they have SUPER-POWERS

[Traveller]

They started the series with Mohinders father doing research, and writing a book about the emerging powers being an evolutionary step-up.

Then they show Stephen Tobolovsky turning things into gold by touching them...

....things got a bit silly after that.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 23 December 2008 - 11:52 AM

[Trotts]

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This was actually quite well explained. It made sense, scientifically, provided that you ignore the fact that they have SUPER-POWERS

Didnt seem that way to me, maybe I missed something hehe.

Anyone wanna give a quick rundown on how the formula/catalyst work?

[Abyss]

Minterlint, on Dec 19 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

... some of the heroes trying to regain some semblance of normalcy in their life (ie.

Spoiler

Peter's supposed to be working as a nurse again

).

Gem Windcaster, on Dec 19 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

Yes, I'd be happy to have the characters have actual jobs next season. Not just this running around like maniacs.

No no no. This does not not NOT work in genre shows. This NEVER works. In ALIAS Syd never quite made it back to uni and it was the height of lame when she tried. In TERMINATOR they dropped all the John-Conner-Goes-to-High-School plots as soon as they realized having him run from massive killer terminator robots was what we were watching for, not Beverly Hills 9mm. In CHUCK his job is just a basis for lame sit com jokes. In SMALLVILLE the closest Clark gets to a job is when an evil subpersonality forces him to become a bouncer at a Metropolis brothel... he doesn't wait tables ffs. 'Ordinary life' is boring. 'Ordinary life' and super heroes is WAY boring. They should, they SHOULD be out there saving the world, running from mercenaries, solving mysteries, whatever the fuck but i do NOT want to watch Peter changing bedpans and having Very Special Episodes with dying cute little diseased children. Nikki didn't even hang onto her internet porn job for longer than one ep back in S1.

Trotts, on Dec 23 2008, 09:10 AM, said:

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This was actually quite well explained. It made sense, scientifically, provided that you ignore the fact that they have SUPER-POWERS

Didnt seem that way to me, maybe I missed something hehe.

Anyone wanna give a quick rundown on how the formula/catalyst work?

Sure - you stabby a dude with the pointy thingy and then weird shit happens.

- Abyss, scientist.

[Gem Windcaster]

well, I don't actually mean that they would succeed at having normal lives, I just want them to try and then horribly fail. It's interesting to watch. It's what made the first season so good, partially. What I don't like is this stoopid running around pretending they don't need anything a normal person needs. It's just ridiculous.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 26 December 2008 - 10:13 PM

[Dolorous Menhir]

Gem Windcaster, on Dec 26 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

well, I don't actually mean that they would succeed at having normal lives, I just want them to try and then horribly fail. It's interesting to watch. It's what made the first season so good, partially. What I don't like is this stoopid running around pretending they don't need anything a normal person needs. It's just ridiculous.

Well, the obvious counterargument here would be Claire going back to school at the start of series 2, and her dad working in that printer shop. I ranked those among the worst plot arcs in the show, if it wasn't for the uninterrupted death spiral the show has been in ever since.

[Dagger]

My wife has a new saying. Every time we watch a movie or TV show and something makes absolutely no sense at all she says, "oh, one of the writers for Heroes must have written this".




I guess the guy who was writing Pushing Daisies will now come back to Heroes and he promises immediate changes, including cutting down on the number of characters. People will actually die and stay dead. I'm still not sure if that's enough assurance to make me return.

[caladanbrood]

Trotts, on Dec 23 2008, 02:10 PM, said:

Quote

This was actually quite well explained. It made sense, scientifically, provided that you ignore the fact that they have SUPER-POWERS

Didnt seem that way to me, maybe I missed something hehe.

Anyone wanna give a quick rundown on how the formula/catalyst work?

Well clearly the catalyst was some crazy shiz, and really more of an enabling agent than an actual catalyst, but the formula looked to me like a highly complex catalyst itself. They know that the powers are activated by the adrenal gland, so clearly they are latent abilities which simply need activating. The shape of the formula provided for many active sites for that sort of thing to take place. Even these active sites would need aligning however, which is what I would think the catalyst does, as I saw...


But that might just be me bullshitting

[Gem Windcaster]

Dolorous Menhir, on Dec 28 2008, 08:00 PM, said:

Gem Windcaster, on Dec 26 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

well, I don't actually mean that they would succeed at having normal lives, I just want them to try and then horribly fail. It's interesting to watch. It's what made the first season so good, partially. What I don't like is this stoopid running around pretending they don't need anything a normal person needs. It's just ridiculous.

Well, the obvious counterargument here would be Claire going back to school at the start of series 2, and her dad working in that printer shop. I ranked those among the worst plot arcs in the show, if it wasn't for the uninterrupted death spiral the show has been in ever since.

I don't want the obvious, I want some original writing. I agree that the season 2 take on it was was ridiculous.

[Sindriss]

I am quite surprised how angry people are with heroes and disappointed in s3. I thought it was a good season with good action. Maybe you should stop hating so much and not care about every minor mistake made, but look at the big picture
So merry christmas and a happy new year!

[Flawed]

Ive always wanted to see this show and have caught the odd episode here and there. But after receiving boths series 1 and 2 for xmas as a present i am currently hooked after 3 episodes in. I wont spoil it by reading all the before hand in this thread, but id like to say that im very handsome.

That aside i will purchase season 3 as soon as it comes out too. HA!

[Dolorous Menhir]

Sindriss, on Dec 29 2008, 12:27 PM, said:

I am quite surprised how angry people are with heroes and disappointed in s3. I thought it was a good season with good action. Maybe you should stop hating so much and not care about every minor mistake made, but look at the big picture
So merry christmas and a happy new year!

The big picture didn't make any sense. In fact, I don't even think there is one. It's just a bunch of people cranking out drivel until they destroy all the goodwill earned by the (excellent) first series and it gets cancelled.

[Werthead]

Season 3 was like watching a car-crash in slow motion. Where one of the cars is made of antimatter.

The plot didn't make sense. The character turns didn't make sense. The worldbuilding was fatally flawed. There was no consistency in character actions. Many of the storyline points were stolen from Season 1 and only half-heartedly changed to make a new story.

I am hopeful that Season 4 will be better. Bryan Fueller, one of the main creative forces behind Season 1, is back and apparently they are fundamentally changing a lot of things that aren't working and rebooting the elements that are. However, he doesn't come on board until the end of Season 3, so the remainder of Season 3 may still suck (although BSG's Mark Verheiden is on board from the start of Season 3.5, so possibly he'll be able to bring some decent stuff to the table).

I may wait until Season 3 is complete before watching the rest of it. With both Lost and BSG back on at the same time, I doubt Heroes will be able to compete with either.

[caladanbrood]

I'm confused about the difference between series and chapters... I'm easily confused