[Dolorous Menhir]

Ok, but in Onrack's case the physical damage caused the severing from the Ritual, and the severing from the Ritual cost him his extra abilities. It wasn't directly the damage that caused the loss.

Besides, the Unbound are also heavily damaged, as is apparent from their descriptions. I would've assumed they were also without the "falling-to-dust" ability.

[Aptorian]

maybe we should just explain this as a augmentation from the CG unless we want to think that SE made a mistake... which of course is impossible.

[Aptorian]

So yes, the Unbound should not have been able to turn to dust, ergo they've been augmentet.

Leading to it still being possible that the CG gave the Unbound the ability to travel in D'ivers fly-mode. The D'ivers ritual being something terrible and chaotic, which is just up the CG's ally.

I think they just turn to dust still though.

[Tiger_sword]

prehaps the CG simply returned their ability to turn to dust to them. A simpler feat i should imagine, than making them d'ivers

[Dolorous Menhir]

And why do people think the CG can do that?

[Aptorian]

He can keep people from dying (Rhulad, Withal)
Make people immune to physical damage (Kallor)
Control powerful Jaghuts like Panion.
Poison warrens
oh and KILL BURN

The CG seems to be in possesion of wast knowledge of Wu's history. If any one could recreate the D'ivers ritual and was insane enough to do so, I think it would be the chained one.

But that's semantics, it would probably much easier for him to just give them the ability to travel through chaos and dust.

[Kurt Montandon]

Hetan;121136 said:

They were not D'ivers flies... they were carrion flies.

Actually, I believe they were Hood's. Look back to the priest of flies at the very beginning of Deadhouse Gates - a mass of flies that whispers to Heboric about a "Secret ... to ... show," or something similiar. In BH, right before the ambush, Heboric hears a whisper in his mind "Something to show you, now..."

I'd imagine the two are tied together.

[Aptorian]

he he he... this discussion is going in cirkles.

I'm now convinced that these flies were flies of shadow...

[The Rope]

I hate to ruin the fun... but as author of this here thread I hereby conclude that the flies are Hood's, and it was actually a secret deal that he shielded them from being annhilated completely - the flies actually are what kept cutter and scillara alive (scillara i believe was not harmed more than she was because the flies shielded her, same with cutter, from the Unbound after the initial strike). Felisin was the target and wasn't to be harmed, heboric was destriant of an undead God of War, and Greyfrog was a demon tied to L'oric - but what did the other two have? Hood's flies...

Now more speculation on Kalam...

[Dolorous Menhir]

Treach isn't an undead, he's an ascendant. He's no more dead than Shadowthrone is.

[The Rope]

Sorry, I rephrase - killed. Whatever, you know what I mean...

[Onrack the breakable]

Kalam is the only one of the 3 that I care for. I liked Crokus but could care less for Cutter. Wish someone had tossed his guts onto a rusted fence then he might have had something to cry about. Hehe.

Kalam dies with style. Like his fights with the Demon way back was it HoC? "Remember my name, Demon. Kalam Mekhar, the one that stuck in your throat." He "died" like half a dozen times in that fight and just kept comming back. Apsalar, is in the same category as Cutter to me. Just a sour cookie. I'd like to see Karsa chop her in half. Then chop Cutter in half too.

Hehe. Just giving my opinion of the three.

[Onrack the breakable]

I thought the flies and hood connection was too obvious to even merit discussion. In fact, I still think so. But I guess its something to discuss while waiting for April. Doesn't Mogora love eating flies? Being a D'ivers spiders after all? Does that mean Mogora will divorce Pust and marry hood (with intent to devour)? Love triangle of Mogora, Pust, and Hood. Hmm, that idea is making me ill.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I'm still not convinced Hood was behind the flies at Heboric's death scene. Maybe I need to reread the scene, but I still think it more likely the flies were conjured by the unseen Unbound Bonecaster to aid the ambush (and they certainly did).

[The Rope]

did someone already shoot down the flies aiding in the survival of cutter and scillara theory? im gonna hold onto that one myself... honestly i don't think the unbound really much cared if there was an ambush or not. they would have jst popped up and killed everyone regardless - they don't care if their victims put up a fight. they're undead T'lan Imass for cryin out loud...