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Raymond Luxury Yacht, on May 4 2009, 11:51 PM, said:

Ah, my favorite time of year. Speculation about the imminent return of everyone's favorite gunslinger arrives every year with the spring. I, for one, welcome our new purple-wearing QB overlord.

There was a time when the thought of Favre playing for the Vikings would have sickened me. Not anymore, it's unnatural but far enough removed that I'm ok with it.

And for all you nay-sayers who want to talk about how last season ended, let me preemptively say this:
HE PLAYED THE ENTIRE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON WITH A RUPTURED TENDON IN HIS THROWING ARM! And still almost got the lowly Jets to the playoffs.

I blame mangini

Why don't you just go make out with him. Dude, your loyalty to this d-bag is astounding.

Oh, and if he does come back, he'll more likely than not get injured again. He didn't get to repair his tendon, did he? Dude's old, and he's too much of a liability both as a decision-maker and as an injury risk.

Maybe that's the real reason you want him to play for the Vikings.....

This post has been edited by Slumgullion Spitteler: 05 May 2009 - 12:10 PM

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Thelomen Toblerone, on May 5 2009, 02:33 AM, said:

That just shows bad leadership and decision making skills. He was prepared to risk playing injured and turning it over like a hot potato, rather than letting the team rely on its running game to get the one win or whatever it was they needed out of the last 4. Plus it shows he's too old to play without hurting himself.

I'll reply to this, and after that we should move all Favre discussion to the Favre discussion thread.

Ok, Favre can be criticized for some things. Poor leadership, i think, is most likely not one of them. The man is the elder statesman of the NFL. Simply being in the lockerroom provides good leadership. Poor decision making skills? Ok, I'll conditionally give you that one. Here's the thing though. He didn't know how badly he was hurt until after the season. His arm was sore. No shit your arm is sore, you're a 60 year old QB. Playing through pain is kind of his thing. If he hadn't played you would be criticizing him for not living up to his reputation as a tough guy and letting down the fans.

As far as it showing he's too old to play without hurting himself, I don't think it does. He was getting murdered back there. There's a lot of young QBs that would have gotten hurt taking the hits he was.

Now, I'm not flat out denying he might be too old to be effective. He might be, but I don't think we can make that assumption based off of last year. If he wants to give it one more crack, I think he's good and sturdy enough last one more season. I think it's a reasonable risk to take for a team who needs a QB short term, like the Vikings.

[Daser]

I was really impressed with the Cardinal offense last year so i searched youtube to check out their first round pick. I found this and thought i share to hear what you guys think.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=f718Ei0TAck

Lol i hope he can do something similar in the NFL because then their offense is gonna be insane.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Well they had Edge, so it's not like their ground game was completely rubbish - they just didnt use it. It doesnt matter how good Wells is or turns out to be, if they dont run the ball then Im not sure it'll make too much difference. That said, I cant see them wasting a 1st round pick and not giving him carries, so fair point.

@ RLY: I take your point and concede that it would certainly be unfair to dismiss him. Unlike McDaniels, I can back down when Im wrong and being provocative. Whilst I do think he's past it, there's no certainty here, and Rosenfels and Jackson arent exactly convincing either, so I concede that he may well be a good option or a slight upgrade for the Vikes. Possibly.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Slumgullion Spitteler, on May 5 2009, 04:10 AM, said:

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on May 4 2009, 11:51 PM, said:

Ah, my favorite time of year. Speculation about the imminent return of everyone's favorite gunslinger arrives every year with the spring. I, for one, welcome our new purple-wearing QB overlord.

There was a time when the thought of Favre playing for the Vikings would have sickened me. Not anymore, it's unnatural but far enough removed that I'm ok with it.

And for all you nay-sayers who want to talk about how last season ended, let me preemptively say this:
HE PLAYED THE ENTIRE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON WITH A RUPTURED TENDON IN HIS THROWING ARM! And still almost got the lowly Jets to the playoffs.

I blame mangini

Why don't you just go make out with him. Dude, your loyalty to this d-bag is astounding.

Oh, and if he does come back, he'll more likely than not get injured again. He didn't get to repair his tendon, did he? Dude's old, and he's too much of a liability both as a decision-maker and as an injury risk.

Maybe that's the real reason you want him to play for the Vikings.....

That could be it I don't think my loyalty is that astounding. He's entertained millions of people for years. All he (allegedly) wants is to continue playing. If he is capable or not is debatable, but if a NFL team thinks he is, where's the hatred coming from? If the management of the Vikings, who being professional football guys are waaaaay more qualified than either of us to evaluate Favre, want to take the chance on him, I say let him. It's gotten so trendy to hate on Favre, for no real reason. Is the media storm annoying? Certainly, but that's not his fault. It's the media's fault for obsessing about it, and our (the general public) fault for eating it up so much that the media almost had no choice but to cover it to death.

And I tried to make out with him. I am no longer allowed within 100 yards of Greenbay Wisconsin or Hattiesburg Mississippi. Worth it.

Thelomen Toblerone, on May 5 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

Well they had Edge, so it's not like their ground game was completely rubbish - they just didnt use it. It doesnt matter how good Wells is or turns out to be, if they dont run the ball then Im not sure it'll make too much difference. That said, I cant see them wasting a 1st round pick and not giving him carries, so fair point.

@ RLY: I take your point and concede that it would certainly be unfair to dismiss him. Unlike McDaniels, I can back down when Im wrong and being provocative. Whilst I do think he's past it, there's no certainty here, and Rosenfels and Jackson arent exactly convincing either, so I concede that he may well be a good option or a slight upgrade for the Vikes. Possibly.

That's all I can ask.

[HoosierDaddy]

Boo Favre talk. Yay Colts talk!

Predicted division winners this year:

AFCE:
New England

AFCN:
Pittsburgh

AFCS:
Indianapolis

AFCW:
San Diego by default

2 wildcards:

Baltimore
Tennessee (by division record tie breaker over Houston)

NFCE:
Eagles (tempted to take the Giants)

NFCN:
Minnesota

NFCS:
Carolina

NFCW:
Arizona by default

2 wildcards:

Giants
Cowboys

[Zanth13]

go cowboys,

not a good start with the cave in and everything

[Daser]

HoosierDaddy, on May 6 2009, 04:46 AM, said:

Boo Favre talk. Yay Colts talk!

Predicted division winners this year:

AFCE:
New England

AFCN:
Pittsburgh

AFCS:
Indianapolis

AFCW:
San Diego by default

2 wildcards:

Baltimore
Tennessee (by division record tie breaker over Houston)

NFCE:
Eagles (tempted to take the Giants)

NFCN:
Minnesota

NFCS:
Carolina

NFCW:
Arizona by default

2 wildcards:

Giants
Cowboys

I agree with your AFC winners for the moment but would say Buffalo and Texans for wildcards.

In the NFC i would predict alittle different.

East = Eagles North = Packers South = Atlanta West = Arizona

Wildcards = Giants and Saints

Damn it is early for this kind of guesswork.

[HoosierDaddy]

Nothing better to do until Summer Camps to do!

Also... didn't consider Buffalo. AFC E is improving quickly.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

HoosierDaddy, on May 5 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

Nothing better to do until Summer Camps to do!

Also... didn't consider Buffalo. AFC E is improving quickly.

Should be interesting next year. I don't thiink the Jets will be relevant, but the Bills, Fish, and Pats should make for some interesting drama that hopefully will end with the Patriots missing the playoffs.

[HoosierDaddy]

I can only pray. The battles in the AFC E and S, with the battles in the NFC E, S, and possibly N should be good. I think both the AFC S and NFC E have a chance to put 3 teams into the playoffs again like 2 years ago.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I'm gonna go:

AFC:
East- 'Fins
West- Chargers
North- Steelers
South- Colts

NFC:
East- Eagles
West- Seahawks
North- Bears
South- New Orleans

Realistically The pats will probably take the AFC East but I hate them so much I refuse to tip them for it.

Wildcards: Houston, 'Skins, Vikes, Baltimore.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Thelomen Toblerone, on May 6 2009, 04:24 AM, said:

North- Bears

Why Bears? My brain tells me the Vikings are better, my heart tells me the Packers are better, my sense of humor tells me Detroit is better, but I've been known to be wrong. Do the Bears have something going on I don't know about?

[Daser]

Thelomen Toblerone, on May 6 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

I'm gonna go:

AFC:
East- 'Fins
West- Chargers
North- Steelers
South- Colts

NFC:
East- Eagles
West- Seahawks
North- Bears
South- New Orleans


Realistically The pats will probably take the AFC East but I hate them so much I refuse to tip them for it.

Wildcards: Houston, 'Skins, Vikes, Baltimore.

Surprised to see the Seahawks bid. Hasselbeck is coming off a back injury and they need aloy of help from the newly drafted to be contenders. I dont see it happend but then again it isnt the hardest division so wont count it out.

I love the NO GIANTS in the playoff. I am no fan of their run heavy offense.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

Because inevitably, just to make me even more miserable and angry at McDaniels, Cutler will have a stellar season and lead the Bears deep into the playoffs, while Denver will go 4-12 and have an even worse defence than last year. Kyle Orton's arm will also drop off in the 3rd week. You heard it here first.

[Obdigore]

I'm going to laugh when Orton has a season like Cutler did last year, while Cutler will do nothing because Da Bears have no o-line or receivers.

Its all the QB, I SWEAR!

bwahahahaha.

[Daser]

So much has changed in Denver it is impossible to predict what will happend but i really do think they got the better deal long term.
Bears was close to the playoff last year and might be alittle better with Cutler this year but if they dont make it this year it looks bad for them and they will miss those draft picks they lost.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Cutler undoubtedly makes the Bears better, but a lot of people seem to think that the Vikings are a QB away from making a Superbowl run.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

I do appreciate the Vikings have plenty of quality, it's just that I dont see them as having significantly improved over last season. Realistically they have the best shot at the division, but I'm rather partial to the idea of a bit of sod's law taking place (iirc you guys call it murphys law?) because of the Cutler thing.

The Seahawks I think will be a much better team this year if they stay healthy, they missed a few important guys (especially Hasselbeck) and I think they've improved more than the Rams and 49ers. Whether that'll be enough to squeak past the Cardinals is tough to say, but I think it will be.

And the Giants are in such a strong division this year that it's always going to be tough, and I think having no real threat at WR is going to hurt them bad. Jacobs is injury-prone and they're going to have to run it more, and dont have Ward to help with the spelling this time out.

[Slow Ben]

Obdigore, on May 6 2009, 02:10 PM, said:

I'm going to laugh when Orton has a season like Cutler did last year, while Cutler will do nothing because Da Bears have no o-line or receivers.

Its all the QB, I SWEAR!

bwahahahaha.

OK, i'll give you the recievers. They have lots of talent, but not a one of them is proven. And if some of them dont step up Forte is going to be one sore dude after each game. But they do have 2 very good te's and a running back who catches the ball as well as a reciever. I agree that normally its not just about the qb, but you all didnt have to watch Orton under/over throw recievers consistently last year.

Also, a great qb can make avg recievers look good. Tom Brady and McNabb played the first 5-6 years of their careers with avg wr's and they did pretty good.

But how can you say they have no O-Line. Kreutz has 6 pro bowls. They have 3 tackles that can all play. If Pace is healthy he can be anywhere from above average to great. Chris Williams was afirst round pick and Schaeffer has started in the league the last 5 years. Garza is above avg. and Omiyale is considered a great G prospect. Rnd Rant.

And as a Bears fan i hope for the love of gawd! the Vikes dont get Favre.