[wolfgang]

tiam;110552 said:

I dunno bout that. Qb has the souls of 12 high mages and even tho Tay is the best adept the world has seen in a while he would be hard pressed to beat QB. Personally i think QB stronger but lets not turn this into a whod win. Also Dancer would hesitate then kill kalam IMO.

Im not saying that ST is trying to get the CG power but he is neutralising it. In forms of the throne of shadow and thje first throne i beleive that Monek Ochems last act was to either reinstate its power or completely wipe it out

speaking of quick ben, did anyone else think that he was a little out of character in the bone hunters. normally hes been very collected and friendly and his plans have come off without a hitch. now hes seems angry and scared all the time and his plans are stuffing up all over the place.

I spose a genius can't be great all the time

[tiam]

I think it his plans never came off because of ST. The bits with Torhoval (? his sister) werent his fault. Also when QB went to help Kalam he was whisked away by ST again so yes he was scared a little from the Eres but its quite understandable.

[vrai]

HUME;111545 said:

Remember the end of HoC mate ?

Talon are no More !

There is nothing that I can see in HoC that indicates the Talon are no more.

A whole bunch get killed during Kalam's assault, plus the first three of those sent to do in the Whirlwind Goddess, but that's it. The last one was left in the shattered warren, moaning on the ground, when L'oric left in Osric's arms.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Those weren't the real Talon in the first place, they were Korbolo's Dom Talon. Pretenders.

The status of Dancer's Talon is unknown, the existence of Baudin and survival of Hawl until HoC suggest that some are still around.

[Kurt Montandon]

wolfgang;111619 said:

speaking of quick ben, did anyone else think that he was a little out of character in the bone hunters. normally hes been very collected and friendly and his plans have come off without a hitch. now hes seems angry and scared all the time and his plans are stuffing up all over the place.

This is something people have brought up a couple of times in various threads, how Quick Ben seems flustered and off his game - so I'll address my opinion here.

Quick Ben is very used to being low-key and inconspicuous. Being not just a High Mage, but the only High Mage for the only coherent (that we know of) Malazan Army, during a series of crucial and dangerous events, has him shook up. He's simply not used to being front-and-center, even he is accustomed to being in the middle of important affairs (like Darujhistan).

And as for his raw power, I don't think he has that much. He doesn't have the combined strength of twelve High Mages, he has the strength of twelve separate Mages (they weren't the most powerful Seven Cities sorcerors, as I recall). He's not strong, he's just very good at using a lot of warrens.

Personally, since he has a Jhag soul, I wonder if he can use Omtose Phellack - which would be an Elder warren, yes? So I wonder why he couldn't draw on a Hold to counter the Edur? Perhaps underlying the illusion, to give it an appropriate flavor so to speak, with the illusion just providing a false sense of scale.

Something to consider, in any case.

[BridgeBurner]

kmmontandon;111758 said:

This is something people have brought up a couple of times in various threads, how Quick Ben seems flustered and off his game - so I'll address my opinion here.



Personally, since he has a Jhag soul, I wonder if he can use Omtose Phellack - which would be an Elder warren, yes? So I wonder why he couldn't draw on a Hold to counter the Edur? Perhaps underlying the illusion, to give it an appropriate flavor so to speak, with the illusion just providing a false sense of scale.

Something to consider, in any case.

I missed that Jaghut soul part.

It makes me wonder though. If QB had access to an elder warren, why was it necessary to use Hood's warren in MoI? OP being Pannion's natural warren, and him using it to block Lady Envy's approach towards Coral, suggest that that warren wasn't besieged by the CG. Or did Pannion get extra protection?

[Illuyankas]

That's a point, Quick can travel through Kurald Galain. Why move through Hood's at all? Of course, it could be that he doesn't want to attract attention to himself.

[BridgeBurner]

Wouldn't exposing himself towards Hood to get the access through his warren be attracting attention?

Seems like just using OP would be the sneakier thing to me.

[philospher77]

kmmontandon;111758 said:

This is something people have brought up a couple of times in various threads, how Quick Ben seems flustered and off his game - so I'll address my opinion here.

Quick Ben is very used to being low-key and inconspicuous. Being not just a High Mage, but the only High Mage for the only coherent (that we know of) Malazan Army, during a series of crucial and dangerous events, has him shook up. He's simply not used to being front-and-center, even he is accustomed to being in the middle of important affairs (like Darujhistan).

Plus, I think he is having a bit of a crisis, along with Kalam. Whiskeyjack is dead, and he was the one, I believe, giving focus to QB and Kalam's plans. Now they are adrift, having to figure out who they are going to work for, what plans are worth making, what, exactly, are they fighting for? And that is going to take a bit of time, and make them a bit flustered and unsure in their actions.

[tiam]

Thats what BH was about tho wasnt it? The whole ' Are you with her Kal...' conversations they were having near the end. They given their services to Tavore now. Also id say revenge was on the cards against Kallor. I prefer Fiddler to avenge WJ for sum reason

[Aptorian]

BridgeBurner;111781 said:

Wouldn't exposing himself towards Hood to get the access through his warren be attracting attention?

Seems like just using OP would be the sneakier thing to me.

First of IIRC it was a Jhag not a Jhagut. How much control do they posses of OP? The only real Jhag I remember is Icarium and he doesn't throw OP around much.

It would sound like a better thing to do, using OP since both Death and KG were being posioned and Gethol doesn't seem to notice any real poisoning of OP. Lots of holes and bleeding, but it doesn't seem to be effected in the same way. maybe this is bcause Panion needed to be able to draw on it.

But if Quick travels through or uses OP that will probably attract a bonecaster and before he knows it, half a dozen warriors would be on his ass.

[tiam]

Also wasnt the jhag the one who drove back Dassem? This suggested he was more of a warrior mage (like that guy in GOTM caled Torval or something. Hes a soldier of the cabal) and likely only used magic in fighting

[fan_83]

its easier and safer to go through hoods warren than both OP and KG.. you go through OP and you have the chance of getting kebabed by a couple of clan of imass..

and in KG you run the chance of pissing of some andii or even perhaps rake who may take umbrage at having their warren used without their permission..

remember the TGG who asked permission from silverfox to use telann..

[BridgeBurner]

Good point, fan_83.