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Posted 22 July 2006 - 08:00 PM

2 quick questions:

At the end of the book, when Werthal boards the ships with Bottle, was he the one Bottle was sent to procure?

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When he boards, Fiddler recognizes the burns and weals on his arms. I assume those were from being a smith. Does Fiddler recognize Werthal's burns as being WERTHAL'S or as the burns of a smith? And if the latter, how?
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Posted 22 July 2006 - 08:12 PM

It's Withal. (unless it's different in translation, I've noticed that with some foreign posters?)

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At the end of the book, when Werthal boards the ships with Bottle, was he the one Bottle was sent to procure?


Not sure about this one.

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Does Fiddler recognize Werthal's burns as being WERTHAL'S or as the burns of a smith? And if the latter, how?


I think you meant to say "former" there, as I don't see any mystery in Fiddler recognising the scarring of a smith. And I think it was the latter anyway, Fiddler may have powers of divination but I don't think they extend to knowing the identities of strangers.
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Posted 22 July 2006 - 09:39 PM

No, I meant latter. SE obviously wrote that line for a reason, so what is the significance of Fiddler recognizing the burns of a smith?
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 03:42 AM

Fiddler needs smithwork? It will all become clear in about 2 books.... because thats how SE works. There will be a second line, that clears it up perfectly. However, you will practically have to know both books by heart to put it together. Yay!
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 06:37 PM

TheEdgewalker said:

No, I meant latter. SE obviously wrote that line for a reason, so what is the significance of Fiddler recognizing the burns of a smith?


Well, perhaps Fiddler has had a premontion/vision/whatever about a sword, and now he sees a swordsmith. Can't remember if there are any sword references in his readings of the top of my head, but I don't think there is any great mystery here.

I really thought it was more along the lines of

"look at his arms, must be a smith"

not

"look at his arms, must be the smith I've been waiting for."
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 10:51 PM

Yea fiddler wants a sword made that chains chains to other chains that are chained to the chained god's chained ones...
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Posted 28 July 2006 - 07:32 PM

Well, I don?t know if this means anything, but it could very well be that fiddler has met kalam?s relative, the smith?
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Posted 28 July 2006 - 07:54 PM

More likely any other smith in the world... There is a slim possibility, but if Fid med the other Mekhar (Barathol?), then it was when he was a military commander, not a smith...
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Posted 07 August 2006 - 08:27 PM

i just thought it was to acknowledge that Withal got on the ship without him actually coming up and saying hi im withal the swordmaker
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Posted 08 August 2006 - 10:13 PM

I thought the same as tiam - it was SE's way of saying 'Here's Withal' without actually saying 'Here's Withal'.

In regards to Bottle being sent to procure someone, i'm still confused on that one. Obviously,Withal would be a likely possibility but then for all we know it could be his wife or one of those nest building/destroying creatures (mental block on their names). Like Obdigore said - we'll probably know in two or more books time.

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 11:47 AM

I think its Withal they were sent to get on whole Rhulads sword issue but maybe on Another note they needed Cartheron Crust. I mean did he go with them? I fairly sure he did so maybe they will round up the old Guard
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 02:12 PM

I thought tavore paid cartheron crust to transport the wickens back to quon tali
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 09:57 PM

Yeah, but what's Urko Crust up to? It seemed like he was about to do something, and then nothing happened. He's one of the only characters still on Seven Cities.
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 04:10 AM

Withal was the one that Bottle was sent to get. Cartheron Crust left with the payment and the Wickans. Withal was a well known swordsmith on one of the Meckros floating islands so maybe Fiddler met him as a Bridgeburner at some former point prior to the books?
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 07:41 AM

It's nothing to do with whether Fiddler had met him before or not... it's like tiam said, just a way to let us know who it was without saying "IT'S WITHAL!" :)
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