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also this "first Empire" its first empire of the T'lan Imass right? if im right then would i also be right to assume Daseem Ultor (first sword to the T'lan Imass?) was only in the Malazan Empire because of Amnanas' control over the first throne. (i still cant work out who this guy is)
So obvious
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It is Tool who was First Sword of the Imass, of the First Empire.
I dunno if we know who was First Sword of the human First Empire - can't recall any names there.
anyways, Dassem Ultor was First Sword of the Empire - but of Kellanved's Empire
I dunno if we know who was First Sword of the human First Empire - can't recall any names there.
anyways, Dassem Ultor was First Sword of the Empire - but of Kellanved's Empire
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 04:44 PM
Hetan said:
It is Tool who was First Sword of the Imass, of the First Empire.
I dunno if we know who was First Sword of the human First Empire - can't recall any names there.
anyways, Dassem Ultor was First Sword of the Empire - but of Kellanved's Empire
I dunno if we know who was First Sword of the human First Empire - can't recall any names there.
anyways, Dassem Ultor was First Sword of the Empire - but of Kellanved's Empire
As I understand it, the First Sword is also what Dassem Ultor named his particular company (some elite force, probably). I may have misunderstood, but I thought that was the case.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 05:32 PM
They were known as the Sword. His sworn bodyguard. 
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 11:16 PM
Where does that info come from??
guessing NoK or something?
guessing NoK or something?
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 11:19 PM
Also MOI, where Dujek or WJ says something like 'that group of followers he called his First Sword'.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 11:22 PM
Hmm, I guess so, cant remember that specifically only that him and his followers were assassinated/massacred.
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Posted 01 August 2006 - 12:30 AM
I'm a state-side guy so I have read up to House of Chains. I have not received Midnight Tides and The Bonehunters (they are on their way by mail).
I know that his run-in with Icarium and Mappo did nothing to humble our Teblor friend but I still think this encounter counts.
I think the character of Karsa Orlong is one well worth knowing. I believe the critique was "rash and annoying." This seems rushed and over generalized at best. Karsa is a dynamic character, he is what his Teblor culture (and the Unbound) has made of him and he has had to re-evaluate alot of what he thought was true. He has done a lot of un-Teblor-like behaviors but he's still able to remain who he is at his very core. If he is rash, that's an observation of Teblor etiquette and that's not enough to justify annoying.
Even from a House of Chains standpoint, one would need more to back up a claim that Karsa isn't a good character.
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Once you read The Bonehunters you may come to like Karsa, I know I am kinda liking him know. Though I am waiting for someone to seriously humiliate him.
I know that his run-in with Icarium and Mappo did nothing to humble our Teblor friend but I still think this encounter counts.
I think the character of Karsa Orlong is one well worth knowing. I believe the critique was "rash and annoying." This seems rushed and over generalized at best. Karsa is a dynamic character, he is what his Teblor culture (and the Unbound) has made of him and he has had to re-evaluate alot of what he thought was true. He has done a lot of un-Teblor-like behaviors but he's still able to remain who he is at his very core. If he is rash, that's an observation of Teblor etiquette and that's not enough to justify annoying.
Even from a House of Chains standpoint, one would need more to back up a claim that Karsa isn't a good character.
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Posted 01 August 2006 - 03:31 AM
You mean you weren't dieing of laughter whenever Karsa would tell someone to shut up or that he was going to kill them?
And Karsa kicked the **** out of Icarium. All he had to do was stomp his head in.
And Karsa kicked the **** out of Icarium. All he had to do was stomp his head in.
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And Karsa kicked the **** out of Icarium. All he had to do was stomp his head in.
Didn't Icarium cut Karsa's blade in half? I tend to glance over crucial parts of books too often, but I don't think Karsa had anything over Icarium.
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Posted 02 August 2006 - 02:46 AM
Perhaps you forgot the part where Iccy was unconscious.
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Posted 02 August 2006 - 04:50 PM
I kind of got the impression that it would have been a draw. I mean, ultimately, if Icarium was so inclined he could have easily killed Karsa. He's an apparently ultra-powerful mage, an a superlative swordfighter. Maybe he and Karsa are equals with the blade (though I doubt it), but let's be realistic.
Then again, Karsa did knock him out, and no mage can do much while unconscious.
Then again, Karsa did knock him out, and no mage can do much while unconscious.
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Posted 03 August 2006 - 01:18 AM
Like its been said before, when enraged Icarium is unmatched. Other than that, Karsa is pretty damn tough himself.
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Posted 03 August 2006 - 11:08 AM
Karsas problem is Mappo. Get rid of him and he doesnt have to worry about a mace flyin upside his head.
More time to concentrate on gutting Iccy
More time to concentrate on gutting Iccy
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 12:42 AM
Apparently, Icarium can sense danger while unconscious, and it awakens his rage. My impression was that if Mappo hadn't intervened and knocked Karsa out, Icarium would have reacted to Karsa attempting to stomp his head in in much the same way he reacted to the bloodfly D'ivers in Tremorlor... keening rage and all that. It's easy to say that Karsa would have just cut off his head, but the stories suggest that wards can interfere with physical attacks. Besides, if it were that easy to kill Icarium, why bother with the Azath? Azath seem to be chiefly for things that are too strong (somehow, in an unclear fashion) to kill, like Silchas Ruin and Raest.
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Kind of puzzled at how tough some Jaghut can be to kill, when Pannion's mom was just speared to death.
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Kind of puzzled at how tough some Jaghut can be to kill, when Pannion's mom was just speared to death.
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Kind of puzzled at how tough some Jaghut can be to kill, when Pannion's mom was just speared to death.
Kind of puzzled at how tough some Jaghut can be to kill, when Pannion's mom was just speared to death.
My impression is that SE's story often has big switch arounds in Creatures power levels. This will become more obvious in the later books.
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(Not really the biggest spoiler)
But I think it's understood that the Mommy had been weakened considerably after a long flight. She didn't want to fight anymore when she found out that her little jaghut'lings were "safe". Besides this, the T'lan are Jaghutexterminators, experts at killing Jaghuts, their weapons probably imbued with powerful spells and wards.
That said there is differences in individuals powerlevels. I think we've heard somewhere that Icariums father also has "anger mangement problems". Something about him also loosing his temper once. Icarium isn't a Jaghut, he's a Jhag, one part Jaghut one part something uber. The most powerful Jaghut we know, besides Raest, is his father and there's much speculation about who's his mother. Personally I think it most be a god or maybe a FA or a TTT since it seems Iccy has his own warren.
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Also it was a god so probably strongertougher for the Crimson Guard.
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Apt said:
My impression is that SE's story often has big switch arounds in Creatures power levels. This will become more obvious in the later books.
(Not really the biggest spoiler)
But I think it's understood that the Mommy had been weakened considerably after a long flight. She didn't want to fight anymore when she found out that her little jaghut'lings were "safe". Besides this, the T'lan are Jaghutexterminators, experts at killing Jaghuts, their weapons probably imbued with powerful spells and wards.
That said there is differences in individuals powerlevels. I think we've heard somewhere that Icariums father also has "anger mangement problems". Something about him also loosing his temper once. Icarium isn't a Jaghut, he's a Jhag, one part Jaghut one part something uber. The most powerful Jaghut we know, besides Raest, is his father and there's much speculation about who's his mother. Personally I think it most be a god or maybe a FA or a TTT since it seems Iccy has his own warren.
Spoiler
(Not really the biggest spoiler)
But I think it's understood that the Mommy had been weakened considerably after a long flight. She didn't want to fight anymore when she found out that her little jaghut'lings were "safe". Besides this, the T'lan are Jaghutexterminators, experts at killing Jaghuts, their weapons probably imbued with powerful spells and wards.
That said there is differences in individuals powerlevels. I think we've heard somewhere that Icariums father also has "anger mangement problems". Something about him also loosing his temper once. Icarium isn't a Jaghut, he's a Jhag, one part Jaghut one part something uber. The most powerful Jaghut we know, besides Raest, is his father and there's much speculation about who's his mother. Personally I think it most be a god or maybe a FA or a TTT since it seems Iccy has his own warren.
Also the jaghut mother had prepared no defence. Pran chole notes this and it is likely because of her children being saved. Also i beleive that jagut power lies not merely in sorcery but in strength aswell. All jagut have 'super' strength as wwe would call it and likely when in rage they cannot be just stabbed through the heart. i think they would have to be dismembered
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 11:17 AM
Begining of the thread the claiming of traveller was know and not answered I would like to raise the question again, I would preferably want page reference so I can read it for myself, however a straight up answer would be enough...
for my next question, where can I read the stories about crust and urko, and the history of nok. since these people have totally eluded me, when focusing on the bigger picture, thus I have only read about urko who alone on his island excavating what seems to be dinosaurs.
also wondering when the best time for NoK is, just finished HoC and off to buy MT, shal I readk NoK before MT?
thanks for the time, and also Hello!!! this is my first post in these forums and I look forward to the company
for my next question, where can I read the stories about crust and urko, and the history of nok. since these people have totally eluded me, when focusing on the bigger picture, thus I have only read about urko who alone on his island excavating what seems to be dinosaurs.
also wondering when the best time for NoK is, just finished HoC and off to buy MT, shal I readk NoK before MT?
thanks for the time, and also Hello!!! this is my first post in these forums and I look forward to the company
