[tiam]

I have a theory that to become a draconian eleint you have to drink tiams blood. ok not my theory, a fact, but my theory is that not only Tiams blood as in the actual dragon tiam but also other pure blooded eleint. Such as Sorrit. so the theory goes.

Spite reaches out with a hand of rust red scales which when i read the prologue i thought that was odd. then i read mappos speculation on whoever drank sorrits blood what affect would it have on the drinker due to the otateral taint. so that got me thinking. did spite drink sorrits blood? or is she naturally a soletaken? and if so is envy? youd suppose so with both their parents being soletaken but im not sure because Lorics isnt a soletaken as far as we know.

Any thoughts?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Sister Spite's presence had no affect on Pust & Mogora, who would almost certainly be hindered by the presence of Otataral.

Apart from that, I just don't think it's right. Scabby is prime suspect for Sorrit's murder, and I can't think of any reason to associate him with Sister Spite. Though her appearance (drastically different from her sister, and all other Soletaken Eleint) does suggest she gained her powers in an unusual manner.

[Midnight]

yeah I'm pretty sure she derives her soletaken ability from her father, Draconus who is said to be draconian and closely linked with Tiam.

[fan_83]

that can;t be said as truth as envy is also the daughter but not soletaken as far as we know.. but it should be true that due to their mother's soletaken ability , it seems that spite was hit with the soletaken stick while envy wasn't

[Illuyankas]

Both of Envy and Spite's parents are draconean Soletaken, not just Draconus.

[Illuyankas]

How's this for a crazy theory?

The otataral dragon, before she became aspected to otataral, drank from Sorrit's blood to hunt down Scabby. So when they 'loosed the blood in their veins' or whatever the quote was, they REALLY did so. And presumably Sorrit was sacrificed to do that.

[fan_83]

that could work,.. but we don;t know the amount of blood required.. it could jsut be a mouthful or it could be way more..
also to grab an eleint the one who wnats to grab one has to be powerful enough to get one which is way way harder..

if they are powerful enough to grab an eleint, theres no reason for htem to become a soletaken, i don;t think the power increase justify weakening the warren structure

unless the one who wakc hte dragon also gets the command of the original dragon warren..
that might be a bonus

[tiam]

Hetan said:

ok... latest crazy theory...
you have to drink tiam's blood to be a soletaken eleint...
or an eleints blood to be a soletaken...
in other words... tiam is la creme de la creme..
nah.... scratch that... you have to drink the blood of an eleint... it just so happened that previously tiams rebirth was a convenient vessel.. dies and is reborn.
only someone broke the rules (scabs?) and therefore any eleint is up for grabs (so to speak) only that has serious impact on warrens...

I beleive the last person to get tiams blood was olar ethil as shes the biggest soletaken weve seen. everyone else just got a taste.

[fan_83]

errr rake, scabby, silchas and almost all the tiste soletaken drank from tiams blood as well.. we don;t know how much they drank, only that silchas drank more than rake.. but we don't have a direct comparison of size.. so its still unclear

[tiam]

yes but my original theory is that its not only tiams blood that counts but also the blood of other eleint which still is ttechnically tiams blood as tiam birthed all dragons.

[Asandir]

yet another crazy theory
Otataral dragon was last one to drink from tiam canceling out tiams ability to be reborn thats why Ot Dragon got spiked.
Ot Dragon is a soletaken eleint

[PannionDude]

I think Onataral Dragon is the beast the dragons created to hunt down Bloodeye for making the Matron desperate enough to poison MD.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Seconded.

They then imprisoned it when Scabby was neutralised by others, since it was too dangerous to be allowed to run loose in the world.

[Illuyankas]

Perhaps she volunteered, but why you think the Elder Gods killed Sorrit for the 'child of indescribable terror', then say that Kilmandaros and Mael killed Scabby between them? What if the OD (if it IS the OD) was a dragon-only act, and after Scabby's demise the draconean Soletaken stuck it on a cross because they couldn't allow it free rein, but couldn't kill it without weakening some other warren, perhaps the one it was originally aspected too, or perhaps SD, if Tiam is the other?

[Abyss]

Consider... Scabby, Osric, and Rake (and Ruin) are all, draconically and Mommy-D derived, EXTREMELY powerful. Probably moreson than a pureblood elient if Rake's size/power comparison to Silanah in GotM and his leashing three pureblood in TB are any indicator.

So Scabby screws up and everything is gonna die because of that... do the EG's and purebloods just charge off to kill him... no. Because they aren't sure they can, at least not without. So they make the terrible child/otty dragon, weaken Scabby considerably, and then Killy punches his skull in, followed by soul binding and stuff.

Back to Spite and Envy - Andarist mentioned that draconean blood can beset aside, so perhaps Envy has but Spite has not. One could also see Envy just avoiding her draconic form out of distaste for her Edur and/or Elder God lineage.

Also, Spite is described as being scaled in her humanoid form... not the typical thing we read re: draconic soletaken. So something... too much time in draconic form, channeled too much SD, draconic skin condition, something... went wrong, and maybe Envy wants to avoid that.

Now back to Sorrit... all we know is that 'someone' killed her with an otty spike through the head. Spite has enough other factors to make her draconic that i think she's not a good suspect.

My thought is that Rhulad decided he needed his own Edur draconic soletaken to match Rake's little cadre, and perhaps those 'ochre' dragons Fiddler and co spotted in Tremolor in DG were them.


- Abyss, wonders what dragons use for skin care.