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A couple people mentioned that Icarium will only be powerful in full rage mode...but that's exactly what Rhulad wants. Rhulad's going to let Icarium power up all the way to be sure that Icarium will kill him.
Also, it was Fear who admired Brys's skill, not Trull. And as pg said, Trull's power has increased dramatically since then.
Rhulad: How strong will he be?
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Posted 28 May 2006 - 08:38 PM
Surely the Edur would have caught on by now that killing Rhulad only brings him back. Why look for such powerful adversaries then? Are they hoping for someone so powerful that he's anihilate Rhulad to nothingness?? If so then Icarium should have been no chance meeting...yet, it appears that they don't even know who he is. They only now know what he's capable of...end even so, only the Letherii who survived the assault on the First Throne. Seems that they were kinda misguided in hoping for too strong a foe...Rhulad only catches up.
But you just wait for the twist....Icarium meeting Rhulad probably wont be any simple matter. When they realise that eradicating Rhulad might just neccessitate the obliteration of Lether, they might have second thoughts.
Brys is now immortal polishgenius...he's not dead. He's certainly not mortal.
But you just wait for the twist....Icarium meeting Rhulad probably wont be any simple matter. When they realise that eradicating Rhulad might just neccessitate the obliteration of Lether, they might have second thoughts.
Brys is now immortal polishgenius...he's not dead. He's certainly not mortal.
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Posted 28 May 2006 - 08:50 PM
Er, you can be immortal/ascendant if you're dead, you know. Treach, anyone?
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Posted 28 May 2006 - 09:06 PM
Not if you stay dead. Treach died and underwent a transfiguration; or underwent a transfiguration through dying...or something like that. But Treach is not dead...he was an Ascendant before anyway, wasn't he? He later became Lord of War...that was the new role.
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Posted 28 May 2006 - 09:39 PM
Baudin, then. Or (silly me for forgetting) the Bridgeburners.
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 10:34 PM
Fair point.
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 10:59 PM
Maybe Rhulad will convince Icarium to join the Crippled God....after all the Crippled God does maskerade as the patron of the fallen which would appeal to Icarium's sense of justice, and Icarium is himself chained by his lack of memories and the Nameless Ones.
On a different note, why can't Rhulad just have one of his servants kill him daily to increase his power?
On a different note, why can't Rhulad just have one of his servants kill him daily to increase his power?
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 11:10 PM
Midnight said:
Maybe Rhulad will convince Icarium to join the Crippled God....after all the Crippled God does maskerade as the patron of the fallen which would appeal to Icarium's sense of justice, and Icarium is himself chained by his lack of memories and the Nameless Ones.
On a different note, why can't Rhulad just have one of his servants kill him daily to increase his power?
On a different note, why can't Rhulad just have one of his servants kill him daily to increase his power?
Because that would be too easy?
I remmember I also wondered why Rhulad didn't just session a two time's a day stabbing by Udinaas to get it going.
An explanation could be that Rhulads mind can't take dying more than say once every 1-2 weeks. I know that Rhulad several times seems to pursue death but I don't think his mind could take it too often. Rhulad when fighting seems almost frenzied. Obssesed with the noble edur champion image he fascioned in his mind, I think he fears death, but is compelled to seek it out.
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 11:17 PM
Not to mention culling his powerful opponents, as them fighting and kill him not only empowers Rhulad further, they're also not killing his Edur, and their loss weakens any enemies the Edur miss. Good tactical idea, at least against proud enemies - I'd like to see Rhulad visit the Seguleh (mwahaha).
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Posted 31 May 2006 - 04:18 AM
Ok time for my usual long winded opinion.
only 2 ways to destroy/beat Rhulad.
#1 Break/destroy the sword. Icky would just kill him. then go away{presumably to kill others}
Karsa the same. Rhulad doesent resurect right away. Unless someone tells Karsa specificly about him not being dead.
See's Karsa camping over his corpse and giving it a whack whenever it makes a sound.
#2. Cut Rhulad's spinal chord and render him a Quadrapalegic and pop him under a rock as per the T'lan I'mass ritual with a few mod's to keep him from the final death bit... Improbable.
In other words only one to truely defeat's Rhulad, is the one who shatters that damn sword. My vote and it has a certain symetry, is Trull, with a spear made by Whithal.
JMO.
only 2 ways to destroy/beat Rhulad.
#1 Break/destroy the sword. Icky would just kill him. then go away{presumably to kill others}
Karsa the same. Rhulad doesent resurect right away. Unless someone tells Karsa specificly about him not being dead.
See's Karsa camping over his corpse and giving it a whack whenever it makes a sound.
#2. Cut Rhulad's spinal chord and render him a Quadrapalegic and pop him under a rock as per the T'lan I'mass ritual with a few mod's to keep him from the final death bit... Improbable.
In other words only one to truely defeat's Rhulad, is the one who shatters that damn sword. My vote and it has a certain symetry, is Trull, with a spear made by Whithal.
JMO.
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Posted 31 May 2006 - 04:47 AM
Midnight said:
On a different note, why can't Rhulad just have one of his servants kill him daily to increase his power?
When Rhulad fights, it's described as if the sword is fighting, not Rhulad. I believe that the sword actually has to be defeated in combat for its skill level to increase.
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Posted 02 June 2006 - 12:20 PM
I belive that burning, cutting into pieces and scattering them, feeding body to animals and so on would all kill Rhulad. But it might be difficult with a bunch of Edur around to defend/rescue their emperor.
Icarium, if he's not very powerful when not angry , should be easy to kill off. Surprise, missiles, poison and a number of other things. But I don't see him beeing very weak since he must have killed the Azath house before he got any powers from destroying it. Does anyone know if different houses have different power levels?
By my estimate Brys is, judged by skill, the best swordsman in the series this far. The way he carves up Rhulad is exeptional. You have to be on another level than your opponent to go for wounding instead of killing. And Brys performs surgeory....Iron Bars throws in one move born of experience that takes Rhulad by surprise,and he is taking no chances.
I belive Icariums power could be enough to make Rhulad stay dead, as would Rakes sword. I also think Rake to be a serious competitor for the title of most dangerous caracter. He's got both the power and the skill.
I,m under the impression that the Azath hous would have had a lot more trouble holding onto Silchas if he had been fully powered up when put there.
Karsa keep on cofirming that with him nothing is certan, so as to his powerlevel and ability to take on Rhulad nothing will surprise me. He might not even be interested and decide to do something else completely.
Rhulad himself wil probably just keep getting nastier in every way. And I mean EVERY way. So this will probably evolve into something epic, surprising, exciting, hillarious, fantastic typical SE.
Icarium, if he's not very powerful when not angry , should be easy to kill off. Surprise, missiles, poison and a number of other things. But I don't see him beeing very weak since he must have killed the Azath house before he got any powers from destroying it. Does anyone know if different houses have different power levels?
By my estimate Brys is, judged by skill, the best swordsman in the series this far. The way he carves up Rhulad is exeptional. You have to be on another level than your opponent to go for wounding instead of killing. And Brys performs surgeory....Iron Bars throws in one move born of experience that takes Rhulad by surprise,and he is taking no chances.
I belive Icariums power could be enough to make Rhulad stay dead, as would Rakes sword. I also think Rake to be a serious competitor for the title of most dangerous caracter. He's got both the power and the skill.
I,m under the impression that the Azath hous would have had a lot more trouble holding onto Silchas if he had been fully powered up when put there.
Karsa keep on cofirming that with him nothing is certan, so as to his powerlevel and ability to take on Rhulad nothing will surprise me. He might not even be interested and decide to do something else completely.
Rhulad himself wil probably just keep getting nastier in every way. And I mean EVERY way. So this will probably evolve into something epic, surprising, exciting, hillarious, fantastic typical SE.
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 04:54 PM
Yeah, I think Dragnipur would do it for Rhulad. Whithal's good, but he's no Elder God.
I also have to wonder what kind of effect killing Rhulad would have on Karsa. If all his dead are chained to him... Of course, if his sword breaks Rhulad's (he did chop through an iron gate in a couple of blows), it's a moot point.
...and apparently that's the theme to a thread on the second page.
I also have to wonder what kind of effect killing Rhulad would have on Karsa. If all his dead are chained to him... Of course, if his sword breaks Rhulad's (he did chop through an iron gate in a couple of blows), it's a moot point.
...and apparently that's the theme to a thread on the second page.
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Posted 08 June 2006 - 06:07 PM
Every time I think about it, I'm more convinced that Rhulad will be DRAMATICALLY more powerful than he was in MT. I'm not talking "stronger version of the same death/rebirth magic swordsman"...I'm talking, powerful in an ascendant/borderline-God/I'm-not-sure-Rake-or-any-of-his-brothers-want-to-really-face-him/too-powerful-to-destroy-so-bury-him-under-a-rock kinda way.
Some have pointed out that not only was he becoming a better swordsman, but also gaining abilities like shadow-binding and opening the Nascent in MT. I guess I just feel like in the time he's had off camera, now that he's had a chance to fully embrace the madness/power inherent in his existance, now that he's had some time to explore his abilities...I dunno, I'm wondering if even Karsa or the enraged Icarium would be able to destroy him in a straight fight...
Some have pointed out that not only was he becoming a better swordsman, but also gaining abilities like shadow-binding and opening the Nascent in MT. I guess I just feel like in the time he's had off camera, now that he's had a chance to fully embrace the madness/power inherent in his existance, now that he's had some time to explore his abilities...I dunno, I'm wondering if even Karsa or the enraged Icarium would be able to destroy him in a straight fight...
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 06:11 AM
Of course he will be strong, but he still is insane and insanity obviously has its flaws.
Not to mention, he is a tool for the CG and I KNOW the CG will not allow him to get strong enough to be a threat to him.(Perhaps I don't know, but I strongly think I do.)
Not to mention, he is a tool for the CG and I KNOW the CG will not allow him to get strong enough to be a threat to him.(Perhaps I don't know, but I strongly think I do.)
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 07:18 PM
Okay, maybe its just me but I thought the whole "Rhulad surviving every death and getting more powerful" meant that he learned from each fight. Everytime he dies he realizes a mistake, or understand a little better how his opponent is fighting and from this gets stronger (or the sword gets stronger, whatever).
I think thats saying a lot. Just because we haven't met every warrior of Bry's calibre doesn't mean they dont exist. And that quote, I think, really shows that Rhulad has gained a phenomenal amount of combat experience.
If thats not foreshadowing something terrible (more than just Rhulad comin back from the dead) then I don't know what is. also
I get the feeling that Karsa things this is some pathetic grey "child" he can stomp on easily. And perhaps he will; Rhulad will show some skill but then Karsa will cut him down, and start walking away....And then Rhulad will come back, and if Karsa values his honour at all, he's gonna have to go back. Only this time Rhulad will be stronger. Now I don't think Karsa is going to die(although ive got my fingers crossed!!!). And I'm not sure how iccy is gonna fit in(although people should remember that he he was stopped by Trull, and for a time by QB, so I don't think Icarium is the be all and end all of power.
Also, about Rhulad becoming a threat to the CG, I'm pretty sure the CG has express control over the sword, and over Rhulad's ressurection, so IF Rhulad ever even though he could challange CG, our Crippled buddy would just yank on the leash.
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The Emperor is the greatest warrior this world has seen, and he defends that claim in personal combat. He has faced a thousand or more fighters, drawn from virtually every land, and yet still he lives, triumphant and unvanquished.
I think thats saying a lot. Just because we haven't met every warrior of Bry's calibre doesn't mean they dont exist. And that quote, I think, really shows that Rhulad has gained a phenomenal amount of combat experience.
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A deep chill was settling in Samar DEv, a dread she could not identify - but there was something here...something vastly wrong.
If thats not foreshadowing something terrible (more than just Rhulad comin back from the dead) then I don't know what is. also
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Can you not hear the shackles snapping shut? CHaining you to this...this absurd challange and these damned bloodless Tistue Edur?
I get the feeling that Karsa things this is some pathetic grey "child" he can stomp on easily. And perhaps he will; Rhulad will show some skill but then Karsa will cut him down, and start walking away....And then Rhulad will come back, and if Karsa values his honour at all, he's gonna have to go back. Only this time Rhulad will be stronger. Now I don't think Karsa is going to die(although ive got my fingers crossed!!!). And I'm not sure how iccy is gonna fit in(although people should remember that he he was stopped by Trull, and for a time by QB, so I don't think Icarium is the be all and end all of power.
Also, about Rhulad becoming a threat to the CG, I'm pretty sure the CG has express control over the sword, and over Rhulad's ressurection, so IF Rhulad ever even though he could challange CG, our Crippled buddy would just yank on the leash.
