[Midnight]

Apologies if there have already been any threads about this,

I was hoping someone could explain the role of Felisin the Younger/Sha'ik reborn to me because it has me a little confused. Why is it necessary for there to be a new Sha'ik and a new Apocalypse and why are the gods (namely Shadowthrone and the CG) so interested in her? What exactly is her role?

Thanks in advance for any awnsers

[MUC1]

I think it's possible that by being Shaik reborn, she maintains some sort of control over the fragment of Kurald Emurlahn that was previously used by the Whirlwind Goddess, although I could be totally wrong. Whatever her role, it seems that the position she holds is important to a lot of entities.

[Ellestra]

There are people beliving in Apocalypse still. And faith is power. Everybody chooses sides and they all are gathering power. Sha'ik was a vacant posision and it was a race to harness that power for their camp. Felisin the Younger was perfect for the posision because of her past but it was a matter of who will put her on that place and take control of cult of Apocalypse.

[fan_83]

of course the fragment of KE.. teh cg wants emurhaln and the whirldwind is one of the bigger piece.. having someone controllable in that position gives him greater access to ke..

[Murrin]

The destruction of the rebellion seems to have left a space in the Pantheon - the Apocalyptic. Thing is, this has less to do with the old Sha'iks and more to do with the death of Dryjhna herself. With the Apocalyptic herself torn apart by wraiths in HoC, there needs to be a new power to restore balance. The gods, being fond of this type of serendipity, choose Felisin Younger to take the identity most usually associated by mortals with the Apocalypse: Sha'ik.
They try, as they usually do when a new power is needed, to pick one out and prime her for the position, and place her in such a way as to suit their purposes (cf Master of the Deck; Tattersail). This usually does not work out as planned (cf Master of the Deck; Tattersail).

The Warren has become Raraku, by the way. The ghosts and the Song took it over once it became unoccupied, before any other could seize it, and it became the power that restored the memory of the ancient inland sea.

[Dark Mac]

I thought it was just silly that a new Sha'ik was required, personally. Sure, the Apocalyptic was gone - but so what? She was a fairly minor figure, considering the whole world. And Shadow was gone from the Deck for hundreds of thousands of years, so it's hardly as if a requirement was necessary just a couple months after the old Apocalyptic died.

[GingerBreadMan]

It wasn't required from what I gather, it was simply desired. There was an empty seat of power, and when people see an empty throne they usually sit on it. Especially since they don't have to actively dethrone anybody.

[Dark Mac]

But Dryjhna's power came from the piece of KE, not a throne. Without KE, Dryjhna wouldn't have been very strong.

[Danforth]

Anyone have any ideas who New Sha'ik's voyeur guy is? At one point I thought Kalor but... this guy has new traits we didn't hear of with Kallor like the stones in mouth thing but still that would be QI.

[Dolorous Menhir]

I forget his name - but he was the villager from the prologue that spoke with Barathol Mekhar. Barathol ordered him to get his weapons when the Unbound appeared in the village.

By the time Cutter & company arrive in Barathol's village the old man has gone - he has joined the cult of Sha'ik.

[namo]

Dark Mac said:

But Dryjhna's power came from the piece of KE, not a throne. Without KE, Dryjhna wouldn't have been very strong.

I' say it came mostly from the spirits she had enslaved and maybe the worship of the rebels. She wanted to claim the KE fragment - so she used it somehow but she didn't have control over it.

Dolorous Menhir said:

I forget his name - but he was the villager from the prologue that spoke with Barathol Mekhar. Barathol ordered him to get his weapons when the Unbound appeared in the village.

By the time Cutter & company arrive in Barathol's village the old man has gone - he has joined the cult of Sha'ik.

Wow, another thread I had missed.

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I thought it was just silly that a new Sha'ik was required, personally. Sure, the Apocalyptic was gone - but so what? She was a fairly minor figure, considering the whole world. And Shadow was gone from the Deck for hundreds of thousands of years, so it's hardly as if a requirement was necessary just a couple months after the old Apocalyptic died.

Well, she had a great influence in Seven Cities, which is a relatively important part of the Malaz world.

[Ellestra]

It was said, in HoC I think, that that T'lan Imass was just usurping Apocalypse and posing as Drhyjna.

[Abyss]

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Point being, with the Drhynja Imass and Felisin both dead, there was an open space. And SOMEone was going to fill it, deliberately or not, because the Gods/Ascendants were lining up to grab that. 7C is a site of power, and this Whirlwind/Apocalypse seat in the Pantheon is a recipient of worship and power one way or the other.

So Shadowthrone and the QoD tried to get Felisin Younger into the seat, and the Cg intervened and put her there as his pawn, and for some reason she decided to turn it into her private harem.

Now whether that was always the CG's intent or not, I'm not so sure.

- Abyss, wants a harem too!

[Dark Mac]

Abyss said:

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Point being, with the Drhynja Imass and Felisin both dead, there was an open space. And SOMEone was going to fill it, deliberately or not, because the Gods/Ascendants were lining up to grab that. 7C is a site of power, and this Whirlwind/Apocalypse seat in the Pantheon is a recipient of worship and power one way or the other.

So Shadowthrone and the QoD tried to get Felisin Younger into the seat, and the Cg intervened and put her there as his pawn, and for some reason she decided to turn it into her private harem.

Now whether that was always the CG's intent or not, I'm not so sure.

- Abyss, wants a harem too!

Yes, there certainly was a vacuum. As I understood after HoC, Raraku itself stepped up to replace it - it's a far stronger entity than Felisin Younger's Sha'ik Reborn.

Another thing I don't understand is why they don't just go kill Felisin Younger now and replace her again. Getting rid of the Unbound would be handy too.

[Abyss]

Well, for one thing, she had a cult protecting her.
For another, there was nothing evidently 'evil' about it, and it may have been the last population on 7C. So Paran and co. didn't want to be responsible for depopulating the continent where apparently human civilization started.

Getting rid of the Unbound, Rhulad, the CG and everyone else of nastiness would be handy, but they're not exactly making it easy.

- Abyss, was sort of dissapointed at Felisin Younger's fate.

[Dark Mac]

Eh, Poliel had a cult guarding her too, but they weren't hard to break through. FY's cult isn't particularly enormous, is it? I can't see Apsalar/L'oric/QoD/Leoman/etc. having much of a problem breaking through her defenses, and as enemies of the CG, doing so would be a logical course of events.

As for whether or not it's "evil", communism's not technically evil either, but millions still died because of it, and I get a very communism-esque feel from FY's cult.

[drza44]

Abyss said:

Well, for one thing, she had a cult protecting her.
For another, there was nothing evidently 'evil' about it, and it may have been the last population on 7C. So Paran and co. didn't want to be responsible for depopulating the continent where apparently human civilization started.

Getting rid of the Unbound, Rhulad, the CG and everyone else of nastiness would be handy, but they're not exactly making it easy.

- Abyss, was sort of dissapointed at Felisin Younger's fate.

I, too, was disappointed with Felisin's fate. I'm sure she'll be an unusual power sometime in the next few books, but she went from sounding like a pretty likeable young girl to just nasty. Even if she'd have been a sexy seductress in charge of the harem cult, that'd be one thing, but she just sounded...disgusting.

[QuickBenDelat]

One thing you have remember is that Paran said that she would eventually get out of the CG power and become something else.(it was in tBH near the end but not exactly sure where it was)

And i think that she has something very important to do that deals with Crokus. If you remember she called her new playmate crokus. It is possible that later on the real crokus will come and take over her share of KE with Apsalar. ST and Cotilion wont mind that too much i thik since both crokus and apsalar served shadow. It could even be something which shadow might want. An ally that thinks like them.

[Dark Mac]

QuickBenDelat said:

One thing you have remember is that Paran said that she would eventually get out of the CG power and become something else.(it was in tBH near the end but not exactly sure where it was)

And i think that she has something very important to do that deals with Crokus. If you remember she called her new playmate crokus. It is possible that later on the real crokus will come and take over her share of KE with Apsalar. ST and Cotilion wont mind that too much i thik since both crokus and apsalar served shadow. It could even be something which shadow might want. An ally that thinks like them.

Paran said Salvation itself would leave the CG's power. I took that to mean that she would die and be usurped.

FY doesn't have KE. The fragment at Raraku belongs to the sea itself now.