[tiam]

eyh but bonecasters are also leaders aswell.

Personally i think bonecasters are incredibly powerful. if raest did have an imass BC then apparently he could kill most of the gods. Also theres a quote in GOTM i think about the battle for kartool in relation to Pale. it calimed the only time imass sorceries ad been uneleashed was at the battle for kartool island and it made moons spawn attack look like aa 'childs cantrip'. just a thought in relation to the power

[Whelp]

Hmm, might there be a parallel between bonecasters and KCCM Matrons? I mean, a Matron has all sorcery from her brood, whereas the Imass bonecasters seem to have all sorcery from their clans...

[tjc52]

There certainly seems to be the indication in Onracks POV in HoC that the Bonecasters are chosen, one per clan, rather than requiring any special ability, and also that bonecasters can be stripped of their power - I'm fairly sure that at one point Onrack says that he was once his clans bonecaster, before the power was granted to someone else more interested in it. This does imply a kind of KCCM Matronish setup, with the powers of a whole clan being channeled into their bonecaster.

[Abyss]

Pretty sure Onrack was ref'd as being a retired bonecaster at some point in HoC. He was still able to do a small ritual to bind himself to Trull.

Bonecasters were around before the Ritual. They seem to be a link between the various members of their clan and the Tellann warren.

We saw a bonecaster go dusty and kill the insane mage in DG.

A Bonecaster was involved in creating Silverfox. I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that the flyfeste in Tb before Heboric and co were ambushed was a result of the Unbound's Bonecaster.

- Abyss, fendercaster.

[tiam]

abyss- i took it as hoods message the whole fly thing

tjc52- Onracks resignation was more of an acknowedgement of someone else who was more suitable and who had more power or was more spiritual. any way somone superior in the arts of tellan.

[Abyss]

Hood's message in DG was a premonition, but SOMETHING was going on with those flies at the ambush and i doubt Hood had anything to do with it.

- Abyss, bzzzzzzzzz

[Whelp]

Interesting points on Onrack:
- MoI mentions him standing among his slain clan during the destruction of the First Empire (during Itkovian embracing the T'lan Imass memories)
- Bonecasters do not wield weapons, he does

Imho, he was not a Bonecaster as such, but he definitely has/had magical talents, since that painting of his held Kilava pretty young for the last 300 millenia.

[fan_83]

thats the basis of the choice as well as the imass, legana.. they seem to be a link that monitors the wellbeing of each imass to his individual family, clan, and that legana was chosen for the painful sacrifice as to not cause the rest of the clan, pain when one of hteir own is cast into the rent

[tiam]

and also it may weaken the ritual. or some sort of revenge thing. we know that the imass can hold a grudge so maybe if for example tools clan was still alive then if he was taken by raest it would be up to his clan to get him back or atleast avenge him

[Cedeos]

tiam said:

tjc52- Onracks resignation was more of an acknowedgement of someone else who was more suitable and who had more power or was more spiritual. any way somone superior in the arts of tellan.

Onrack was in fact a bonecaster before the Tellan ritual. Found the passage in HoC. He regains his memories (because of being severed from the ritual):

"... Onrack who was flesh and blood. But he had stepped aside. No longer bonecaster for his clan - Absin Tholai was far superior ..."

[Abyss]

Onrack's picture didn't keep Kilava young. Her being a soletaken bonecaster did.

- Abyss, figures that would be a hell of a kodak moment.

[Illuyankas]

I have to disagree with you there, Abyss. Why else would there be such rules prohibiting the painting?

[PannionDude]

I believe that his painting influenced her to reject the ritual. I think slaughtering her whole clan has to be laid on her own dime though. That was just cold.

[fan_83]

tiam: its not a revenge thing. look at hte statement that reast can enslave a bonecaster and become all pwoerful, that implies a link to control the clans..

also onrack's painting i believe immortalises her, i believe ascended would be the term used, most appropriately as she is boosted above her mortal kin..

also i don;t htink the painting influence her in anyway.. she doesn;t want to be turned undead. so she slaughtered her whole clan as not to be dragged into teh ritual, only tool as first sword survived and kilava then sever the ties..

[tiam]

Shadowlord said:

Onrack was in fact a bonecaster before the Tellan ritual. Found the passage in HoC. He regains his memories (because of being severed from the ritual):

"... Onrack who was flesh and blood. But he had stepped aside. No longer bonecaster for his clan - Absin Tholai was far superior ..."

yeh the quote says thatabsin tholai was far superior in the mystic arts of tellan or something like that and also had the ambition needed to be a bonecaster. that was the quote i referred to. he acknowledges someone was btter and stood down.


fan 83- i agree that if for example pran chole was taken then maybe raest could through him enslave the rest of the kron imass ( i think it was Kron) but i thought it had more to do with the power of the bonecaster not just the enslavement.

[Dolorous Menhir]

fan_83 said:

tiam: its not a revenge thing. look at hte statement that reast can enslave a bonecaster and become all pwoerful, that implies a link to control the clans..

No it doesn't, it implies that individual bonecasters are really powerful. If control over one bonecaster meant control over all, then I think that's what Tool would have said, no?