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Fiddler and his Games

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Posted 07 May 2006 - 10:10 PM

Can anyone shed some more light on the Deck of Dragons Game that Fiddler does? Is it some kind of natural talent or is it god aspected, like maybe Oponn cause it's kind of random? First time poster and hope this is not in the threads all ready,

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Posted 07 May 2006 - 10:35 PM

its natural talent.. its touched upon in some of the books

if its gods aspected then it would not be a true seeing
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Posted 08 May 2006 - 12:42 AM

Its sorta like what tattersail used to do...its just his way of using the deck!
and yeah its a natural talent assosiated with his "Bad Feelings" me thinks!

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 01:43 AM

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 05:34 PM

Fid seems to be a sort of natural talent at his 'games'... we've seen any number of people in the book use the Deck for foretelling the future in some fashion, but Fid plays a game to the same effect, and he seems to be good at it.

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 08:43 PM

We've also seen Fid showing some signs of being a 'natural' when sharing his perceptions with people like WJ, Kalam, Quick and others.... Fiddler "getting one of those feelings" usually makes people get jumpy and causes hair to stand on end.

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 08:51 PM

blueguru said:

Can anyone shed some more light on the Deck of Dragons Game that Fiddler does? Is it some kind of natural talent or is it god aspected, like maybe Oponn cause it's kind of random? First time poster and hope this is not in the threads all ready,

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T'riss Queen of Dreams, Queen of HHLife, and of Divinity?..
Fiddler... shows up as Soldier of HH Life in the games..

so it's a natural talent... but you gotta think he might be getting a little help? :)
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Posted 08 May 2006 - 08:51 PM

Maybe spotty recollection on my part, but wasn't that pretty much dropped post-GotM? Fid's followed his hunches/instincts any number of times, but we've never seen a repeat of the 'knife with blood on it' vision bit when Sorry/Cotillion was busy turning Paran into a pinata.

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 10:40 AM

Fiddler seemed set up to have a lot more prescience in GotM, Whiskeyjack also says that it was down to Fiddler that his squads got out of the sapper mines beneath Pale.

I remember in MOI when Dujek and Whiskeyjack are drinking and talking about why they're in the alliance with Brood, Dujek is explaining that Tayschrenn was planning for Tattersail to be Mistress of the Deck but the plan got messed up when she got killed. A thought occured to me that Fid could have been Master, he seems to have an instinctive affinity for it (A lot more than "I wasn't sure that was going to work" Paran anyways) but didn't think too much on it till his game in BH where he plays out the future pretty much effortlessly.

Fiddler doesn't have Paran's bloody mindedness though to step between warring ascendants and has enough to do without cosmic intervention. Besides, I bet there's plenty of skilled deck-readers out there as it is but it seemed to have something for a moment there...

Maybe I need to read BH again.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 10:42 AM

Being an Adept in the Fatid does not seem a good combination with being master of the deck. Just a gut feeling.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 11:24 AM

Ah well, no-one ever said Tayschrenn was that smart :)
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:44 PM

Danyah said:

Being an Adept in the Fatid does not seem a good combination with being master of the deck. Just a gut feeling.

Imagine, stopping the gods' dastardly plans before they even take place :)
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Posted 11 May 2006 - 03:09 PM

Hedge apparently had the same affinity as Fid, though -- if you remember their games in GotM where they would make up the rules as they went, their "reads" turned out to be strikingly prescient. I guess one could argue that Hedge was just riding Fid's wave, but I kinda doubt that.
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Posted 11 May 2006 - 04:00 PM

I think it's a bit of a GotM'ism, but Fid was always id'd there as having feelings and hunches, and the games were always his, others brought in by generalization. And Hedge was like his best friend ever. *sniff*

I actually found it kind of jarring, on my very first read, when it was Fid and Kalam who went off with Apsalar and Crokus, after all the time spent buddying up Fid and Hedge on the one hand and QB and Kalam on the other. It just seemed to come out of nowhere.

But back to Fid, his tendency to back off and let others tell him what to do, then make the best of it, wouldn't lend itself to the MoD the way Paran, 'officer-material', is willing to take charge. Fid has never acted alone, except when he rejoined the army to ensure he had a place to be and someone else to tell him what to do. He's clearly a great soldier and sgt, and even a leader at that level, but even in DG when he was on his own with the younguns, he was following QB/Kalam's plan. And Apsalar took over a couple of times there.

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 04:30 PM

Something entirely different. Fid hands the Weaver of Life to bottle's empty chair, saying she needs a bath. I felt like this was a reference to the Eres and bottle's "tie" with her. Might the Eres be weaver of life, with her timetravelling abilities?

Herald of Death ended betwen Kal and QB. Both got seriously beaten in the end, meaning RG will kick off with one of 'em dead. I bet QB. Bottle is going to replace him.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 05:12 PM

nah QB was healed at the end wasnt he? also the fact that kalam was in the azath and not just killed makes it clear theres more left to him.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 05:43 PM

Cotillion called Shadowthrone to heal QB. Everybody knows how many times he has tried to kill him. Will he really heal him? Wait till RG.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 05:46 PM

I think Shadowthrone may know better than to waste a resource like QB by killing him.
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 05:47 PM

Well, he set the hounds on him...
Why would either of them get the Herald of Death?And I don't want an explanation that either of them holds that position...
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 05:56 PM

But ST acknowledged Tays' alliance with QB. Seems unlikely that ST would disrupt the plans of a relatively useful/powerful (albeit frustrating) ally.

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